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And, as I have noted, idioms are anti-logical in the appropriate sense, since there is no mechanical rule to get them back to there logical form. ________________________________ From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 1:10:39 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 8:06 AM, John E Clifford wrote: But whether 'iepei' is a legitimate question is not thereby decided; it means "Yes, innit" No, it means, "Do you agree, and with what intensity do you (dis)agree?" -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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Idiomatically, yes; literally, more like what I sa= id.  And, as I have noted, idioms are anti-logical in the appropriate = sense, since there is no mechanical rule to get them back to there logical = form.


From: Jonathan Jones <= ;eyeonus@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-cen= tric-.ui conversation

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 8:06 AM, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@y= ahoo.com> wrote:
But whether 'iepei' is a legitimate = question is not thereby decided; it means "Yes, innit"

 
No, it means, "Do you agree, and with what intensity do you (dis)= agree?"

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko= cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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