From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhD7g9DnBBoEoy0pig@googlegroups.com Mon Nov 29 11:42:02 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PN9bo-0001jX-MQ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 11:42:02 -0800 Received: by gyb11 with SMTP id 11sf4142733gyb.16 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 11:41:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MB+KbQcKD6lMjcBCv77c6mNOX/f1OIHScZNkkRoGhNA=; b=Fa1WxWwV6OO32Ai/JLqYem3bDhzTwhTp5Lv67M5gxsANpMv/ylkDVxbjkbO1kkbarv a8WPn6J1VGti+zwPTKGM6IbZevwYmO39eVikqWverx8C1mWpKy9Gnviphot8pQcTzpSt 6wrpmnWbapgpA/HrPZqG4pX+O+No46B+w0h1U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=PsIBA34j+lcNqjEwpPbbfGSO/IKYODFzBBp3xFKAu9CRkBNkQMO0aXM6NUOEwOFex+ 1cZ7u/i8Fp83BqNdm5Lvm2ywqN89z8COf5Pbt2LJuygpN8jqPb2s/Q0P5939EZqi1F5/ gMRqN0wWWvzJM7K76v1pUVDJYLTtDOkSDHjzg= Received: by 10.100.132.1 with SMTP id f1mr170519and.32.1291059707708; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 11:41:47 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.225 with SMTP id d33ls2098421ibk.2.p; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 11:41:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.16.75 with SMTP id n11mr1045098iba.14.1291059705980; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 11:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.16.75 with SMTP id n11mr1045096iba.14.1291059705881; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 11:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com (mail-iw0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j25si2133272ibb.0.2010.11.29.11.41.44; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 11:41:44 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.181; Received: by iwn3 with SMTP id 3so7710617iwn.40 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 11:41:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.36.139 with SMTP id t11mr6084463ibd.83.1291059704641; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 11:41:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.207.65 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 11:41:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <144450.19864.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <659354.26852.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <604115.16202.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <752705.36302.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <822423.65423.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <605319.19000.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <433664.89554.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <906301.34622.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <306693.13766.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <144450.19864.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:41:44 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325575c96143a230496364332 --000325575c96143a230496364332 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No, by definition. No idiom needed. Must I quote the definition of {pei} again? "pei - CAI - emotion ? - attitudinal: attitudinal question; how do you feel about it? with what intensity?" In the case of {.iepei}, the "it" is "agreement": {.iepei} = "how do you feel about agreement? with what intensity?" = "Do you agree, and with what intensity do you (dis)agree?" On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:36 PM, John E Clifford wrote: > Idiomatically, yes; literally, more like what I said. And, as I have > noted, idioms are anti-logical in the appropriate sense, since there is no > mechanical rule to get them back to there logical form. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Jonathan Jones > *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Mon, November 29, 2010 1:10:39 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui > conversation > > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 8:06 AM, John E Clifford wrote: > >> But whether 'iepei' is a legitimate question is not thereby decided; it >> means "Yes, innit" > > > > No, it means, "Do you agree, and with what intensity do you (dis)agree?" > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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No, by definition. No idiom needed. Must I quote the definition of {pe= i} again?

"pei - CAI - emotion ? - attitudinal: attitudinal que= stion; how do you feel about it? with what intensity?"
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In the case of {.iepei}, the "it" is "agreement": = {.iepei} =3D "how do you feel about agreement? with what intensity?&qu= ot; =3D "Do you agree, and=A0with what intensity do you (dis)agree?&qu= ot;
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On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:36 PM, John E Cliffor= d <kali9putra@= yahoo.com> wrote:
Idiomatically, yes; literally, more like what I said. =A0And, as I hav= e noted, idioms are anti-logical in the appropriate sense, since there is n= o mechanical rule to get them back to there logical form.

From: Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com&= gt;
To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, November 29, 201= 0 1:10:39 PM=20

Subject:<= /b> Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 8:06 AM, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
But whether 'iepei' is a= legitimate question is not thereby decided; it means "Yes, innit"= ;

=A0
No, it means, "Do you agree, and=A0with what intensity do you (di= s)agree?"

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(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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