From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDvjNDnBBoE6-60Jg@googlegroups.com Mon Nov 29 12:01:05 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PN9uD-0002ZR-2F; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:01:04 -0800 Received: by gyb11 with SMTP id 11sf4165604gyb.16 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:00:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=8q7i8ELbVDUrHyNcexJ5vyNkMmHPz9KHKH1Ta3CuAiU=; b=6FcDGsBvCvIuvem50d/8dBfmXGZaYMFAbmf5iHhggFlAzL1ZxyGQXULGHjL1uepSEz /73dxQUPdFmJj8w2vdYXXcoinigbE8xkEiHPqC54Eukola21HTW1wukwU0/jDMB6lcw7 22B9G24k/4YJ71V6TIzLGHDTKEURtBnarcWCw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Nz9Q1wOSkwEJtLXXY/MUYP4cQ+CNdkyBcWhGJ8dQ6X3niIeBfMhKP1YgKUqes35goP FKG04/KjmtDRN9loTtK3seYUv22js9XVOHT+06Sl7R48hVrTCUZLSE3M1ZcZK/huSBwZ oLF8ovuSARZD6YoOKXBS3OD5VeSst9dkN6qEc= Received: by 10.90.68.15 with SMTP id q15mr460103aga.37.1291060847784; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:00:47 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls2110772ibk.3.p; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:00:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.33.70 with SMTP id g6mr1715420ibd.0.1291060846645; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:00:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.33.70 with SMTP id g6mr1715419ibd.0.1291060846588; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:00:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f178.google.com (mail-iw0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m30si1638348ibu.2.2010.11.29.12.00.45; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.178; Received: by iwn1 with SMTP id 1so7325105iwn.37 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:00:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.167.67 with SMTP id p3mr6009211iby.20.1291060845276; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.199.206 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.199.206 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:00:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <144450.19864.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <659354.26852.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <604115.16202.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <752705.36302.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <822423.65423.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <605319.19000.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <433664.89554.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <906301.34622.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <306693.13766.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <144450.19864.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:00:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a7a510efb3049636878f --001636c5a7a510efb3049636878f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lojban is a language "built on predicate logic", but does that mean that it is exclusively predicate logic? The way that you talk about lojban and logic, John, it sounds like you would also be upset by joi or any of the other things that aren't explicit logical connectors On Nov 29, 2010 2:36 PM, "John E Clifford" wrote: > Idiomatically, yes; literally, more like what I said. And, as I have noted, > idioms are anti-logical in the appropriate sense, since there is no mechanical > rule to get them back to there logical form. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jonathan Jones > To: lojban@googlegroups.com > Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 1:10:39 PM > Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation > > > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 8:06 AM, John E Clifford wrote: > > But whether 'iepei' is a legitimate question is not thereby decided; it means > "Yes, innit" > > > No, it means, "Do you agree, and with what intensity do you (dis)agree?" > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do > zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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Lojban is a language "built on predicate logic", but does that= mean that it is exclusively predicate logic?=A0 The way that you talk abou= t lojban and logic, John, it sounds like you would also be upset by joi or = any of the other things that aren't explicit logical connectors

On Nov 29, 2010 2:36 PM, "John E Clifford&q= uot; <kali9putra@yahoo.com&g= t; wrote:
> Idiomatically, yes; literally, more = like what I said. And, as I have noted,
> idioms are anti-logical in the appropriate sense, since there is no me= chanical
> rule to get them back to there logical form.
>
= >
>
> ________________________________
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> To: lojban@googlegroups.com=
> Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 1:10:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [= lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation
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> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 8:06 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
>= ;
> But whether 'iepei' is a legitimate question is not ther= eby decided; it means
> "Yes, innit"
>
>
> No, it means, "= Do you agree, and with what intensity do you (dis)agree?"
>
= > --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e&#= 39;e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do
> zo'o
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