From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDjw9DnBBoEGJe3zw@googlegroups.com Mon Nov 29 13:58:29 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PNBje-0006P3-80; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:58:28 -0800 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf4004800wyb.16 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:57:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=fcBcDogFlGa2hlaRnwMHPh6pw4aynCvkBeYsWfAhm1U=; b=k0dn/OzsRUp+HlK3HtBasiU5ZYdP4L7TIYA2iae7r/pJz5zmBj8fmnZNbK6lmuVnGR va+d7ms+2PAdCSfr86lR5lNPzlg8cDGcu/MCJKXchpoKMtjc3CzlI5YY5HhoH5WgOWV8 Kgm+uc/XZ4Upc5XbLE2N4XAZFVVls0PTxe/Hg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=RL9I/zUwUpeBjnixKze3epLqn3fsvxIYihgKtm+P6EiUrzAFbAZEpcyuMOzattLB2H gQZF5diCjx8Jf6Cuxwv2VrxuD/I44DIn8lva4F1ajd/dyQUjBI7mee+tklj3V+t9mdMi TFSHn6ZI9cQ7wpFFSG0inD2Qbe+FwWDWSeXuw= Received: by 10.216.231.154 with SMTP id l26mr537636weq.24.1291067875121; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:57:55 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.3.11 with SMTP id 11ls2301318wbl.3.p; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:57:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.63.14 with SMTP id z14mr301935wbh.5.1291067873602; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:57:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.63.14 with SMTP id z14mr301934wbh.5.1291067873568; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:57:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f169.google.com (mail-wy0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id w33si826292wbd.2.2010.11.29.13.57.52; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:57:52 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.169; Received: by wyb42 with SMTP id 42so13008491wyb.0 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:57:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.127.134 with SMTP id g6mr6713700wbs.54.1291067872297; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:57:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.138.16 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:57:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3434c1b0-93ea-4d90-8331-5e9741606068@i32g2000pri.googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 18:57:52 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Why does sei work the way it does? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > {sei} is more like {to} than {lo}, lindar. You can always use "to" or "to'i" instead of "sei". The only reason SEI exists separate from TO is so that the terminator can almost always be elided. As it is, "se'u" is practically never needed. Allowing trailing sumti would mean that "se'u" would almost always be needed. In that case, it wouldn't have made sense to introduce sei at all, since there was already to. Semantically, sei and to are basically the same. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.