From lojban+bncCJXJ1o3JGhD64tTnBBoEhFMlxw@googlegroups.com Tue Nov 30 09:16:55 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PNToy-00077H-My; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:16:55 -0800 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf4991822ywh.16 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:16:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0g+7GxZid4PYbrO9mpOiN3CuYhZj1EDW54uDsL5869U=; b=KochZUqx0uQzePDEIL/266dqNOVtu7rWxKs5C3CkQZ5Tln5jvhr71Kw9ijyZP0mZAH amuJ0rq1zJJTZPOOIDW6v+jWu26wpwiVZd6irznmTRLpontpz6INebUGRs4C/cjeReO3 2sosth8FDAjAqqk7cgJJbxnJEDhI7bF3Hw+YY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=x0MQDGRjR7g82HTaq8iXysXIUni14eR8mXG6k5CcQcxmUOo0CvCNTwJowRBHBB0czG s3dlw7UVAoKaDiPDHOGwh7NYmRf7fFpNWOHOlJHKL+gTSHKW22ieqRbycYXxvMjOtDsu /EoJXun4b+JKhSXkFGIb2w6sOvyhpWPCYjoaY= Received: by 10.90.225.4 with SMTP id x4mr573431agg.39.1291137402236; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:16:42 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.18.19 with SMTP id v19ls1703693agi.6.p; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:16:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.3.40 with SMTP id 40mr585766agc.36.1291137401367; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by m20g2000prc.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:16:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:16:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 76.174.199.98 References: <547f2fd5-c8a4-4dec-acee-97412386bf83@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu/10.10 Chromium/9.0.595.0 Chrome/9.0.595.0 Safari/534.13,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: Question about apparent inconsistency with "nixli". From: Pan Mistwood To: lojban X-Original-Sender: panmistwood@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You know, I had my suspicion these were generated using some algorithm. I have to admit that while I'm still intrigued by Lojban's syntax, I'm less thrilled about this particular aspect of the language. Don't get me wrong; I suppose I can understand the reasoning behind trying to generate words in that way seeing as Lojban aims at being an international auxiliary language. Still, my interest in the syntax will keep me encouraged to learn the language, despite several words I'd propose for a change if I was in charge. Thank you for your feedback! On Nov 30, 8:02=A0am, Luke Bergen wrote: > The gismu were created using a scoring algorithm that attempted to make t= hem > as much like the word for that concept in the 6 most spoken languages in = the > world at the time. > > So it is only by coincidence that nanmu, ninmu, and nanla seem to have th= is > pattern. =A0I agree, it would be nice if nixli fit the accidental pattern > though. =A0In fact, I kind of wish that something less arbitrary in gener= al > had been used for the gismu list. =A0Not using the metric that we used mi= ght > have helped with other little problems as well like similar sounding gism= u > for similar concepts (which can be confusing). =A0:( > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Pan Mistwood wro= te: > > Back when I first dove into learning Lojban, I noticed an apparent > > inconsistency with four gismu. And as far as I can tell, there's no > > reason for it, but I could be mistaken. So, after much > > procrastination, I'm asking about it here. (And as far as I could find > > with Google Web search and a search within this group, it hasn't been > > brought up before, which is rather surprising to me.) > > > The gismu "nanmu" virtually means the English "man" or, more > > generally, "male humanoid". The gismu "ninmu" virtually means the > > English "woman" or "female humanoid". The gismu "nanla" virtually > > means the English "boy". Now, I understand that they are not preferred > > over the gismu "verba", "remna", and "prenu", but they do exist and > > are recognised as Lojbanic gismu. > > > From those gismu, I can see a pattern. "nanmu" and "nanla" share "na-" > > while "nanla" and "nanmu" share "-mu". Following this pattern, the > > gismu virtually meaning the English "girl" would be "ninla"; "ni-" as > > in "ninmu" and "-la" as in "nanla". However, the gismu is actually > > "nixli". My question: as "ninla" is valid gismu syntax, is consistent > > with "nanmu", "nanla", and "ninmu", and is not already used to mean > > something else, why is "nixli" used instead? > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.