From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDT_MLmBBoEG_3QKA@googlegroups.com Tue Nov 02 18:44:02 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PDSOM-0000nt-1t; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:44:02 -0700 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38sf101904wyb.16 for ; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:43:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=r1h76S9PRvl4RsUogOWlaLlLptOfRywd0GSLMeV/0So=; b=Get8wbRX+EnjdDuy6HNh0jfkptoZUHm5cu3ENuQjOpp/WGjoU83RwgSb5FE4jQ1CEi LInqIa0hqH58SUFvULOdgWY3EQ0Vjkje8Gft3NoMGvA27m1sQOCoS+wMuLr9R3lnZ5DK K9Lv6NsniPQ2tP2R0/rcI8FNyiGSok9wLvI5k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=I/oSL7JYtrg8vucrGtxYj57Xb8rJSeG/YxfGrSkx+Xilh7NKG7MXwgHd+cdXz8dWhz ac0WI9u/hYxknLDdl7c40quuQd9IcEziU/sHDpzXa5b4YR/8ykIZOyDFEnFDTDsqJUxd Fb7CggeP5+AtmKi0KtjKv0aESbP0Zw9HiWvDM= Received: by 10.216.237.231 with SMTP id y81mr2563335weq.8.1288748627844; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:43:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.198.213 with SMTP id ep21ls252551wbb.2.p; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.146.196 with SMTP id i4mr865746wbv.3.1288748626411; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.146.196 with SMTP id i4mr865745wbv.3.1288748626378; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f176.google.com (mail-wy0-f176.google.com [74.125.82.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h9si3104279wbe.0.2010.11.02.18.43.45; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.176; Received: by mail-wy0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 36so139735wyg.7 for ; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:43:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.145.193 with SMTP id e1mr3756554wbv.226.1288748625156; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 18:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.32.140 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:43:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101102040903.GA10493@alice.local> <4e1aec20-2d77-4473-a6e3-780700105315@v20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <924334.40683.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20101102191856.GE10792@alice.local> <92fe62fc-36e3-4d93-938c-30c010d937e5@v20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <91643.97322.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 22:43:45 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: mi kakne lo bajra From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Lindar wrote: > > lo te djica has little to nothing to do with the problem. The te djica is the place for the clause from which the se djica can be raised. > If I want an > apple for eating, it's -still- not specifying what is wanted about the > apple. Nothing at all! lo te djica is for specifying why it is wanted, > not in what way. Probably because here isn't any special way of wanting it, you just want an apple to eat. > {mi djica lo nu terve'u pa lo plise kei lo nu citka} > is perfectly reasonable as a use of both places. Of course it is. > x3 is the reason > itself, not what the action is of the thing in question. If yours is > the correct version, then how do I express "I want to run in order to > be healthy."? mi djica lo nu mi bajra kei lo nu mi kanro I hope you don't think I ever said you cannot put an event in x2. Sure you can. Both events and objects are fine there. Just as in the x2 of pilno, or the x2 of viska, or any of the many many other places that accept both objects and events. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.