From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDTudbnBBoELFxSxQ@googlegroups.com Tue Nov 30 16:54:58 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PNayE-0004q4-2b; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:54:58 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf5359825yxn.16 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:54:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0+qtjZFeT7LM/XGD3VU38rVwQidUKUKnXEYizNGmptk=; b=z8flm3+bmwAMEzhppR1jJpCxYOL2YCnSyHHgkcI6CnVRDKGfTbM+zD3l0JAZ+6L3d9 K7k8E9MmCfk3NhfRqMlI0c+6TB3gq5ieIygp+kxq6lX2lUosQ/9LcXeeDEaYAE3/wa8t 9RESIuOIlCFSCOa4G1M29PPgc3N1b+/cxV+Ek= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=H0m6WxG1HOHNbpmAHfi80Ixrqo6VlB+lup3j+GDxem+HFmX4ruWLY7OoYR1+ot9kvT sImjcZhWMejmSOiPx8GlORSBpVHA/83EtpeL1BVc+7spmi50xiBL4K8NtDUQNu6R5Mdi 9qGIsuZmFpWUTMoRNYq/Q+Xi3nV3I7bRRDbUI= Received: by 10.101.97.7 with SMTP id z7mr241738anl.76.1291164883701; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:54:43 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.19.201 with SMTP id c9ls2735303ibb.1.p; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:54:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.37.137 with SMTP id x9mr790793ibd.2.1291164882960; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:54:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.37.137 with SMTP id x9mr790792ibd.2.1291164882919; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:54:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f179.google.com (mail-iw0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b32si2705087ibq.5.2010.11.30.16.54.41; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:54:41 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.179; Received: by iwn7 with SMTP id 7so1941880iwn.38 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:54:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.33.129 with SMTP id h1mr8147839ibd.158.1291164881371; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:54:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.207.65 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:54:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:54:41 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Smart.fm error From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325574a5219cab804964ec0f9 --000325574a5219cab804964ec0f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/11/30 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote= : > > > > Yes, we've had this discussion, and IIRC, your opinion was the minority > one. > > It wouldn't be the first time. But it's still pretty obvious that the > x2 of cusku is words, not meanings, just like the object of "to say" > and unlike the object of "to express". > I believe the previous conversation ended with me deciding that, while "express" was not precisely correct, it did not have the vocal connotation of "say", and a more appropriate word than "express" which did not have the vocal connotation was searched for but not found, so i decided to go with express. > > I'm still disagreeing with you on this whole subject, not willing to ge= t > > into it again, and regardless of which opinion is correct, the other > cusku > > entries (lo cusku, lo se cusku, et al.) still use the "express" keyword= , > so > > either cusku needs to be changed back, which is easier, or all of them > need > > to be changed to "say" as well. > > The latter would make more sense. > > > Also, this is my project, so I get the last word anyway, and I get to > veto > > your opinion on this regard. > > I don't disagree with that. I only disagree with your saying that > "expresses" is better than "says". > (Did I just misuse "saying", BTW?) > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > Yes, sort of. "Your saying" ascribes possession. You meant "...you saying...." --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --000325574a5219cab804964ec0f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010/11/30 Jorge Llamb=EDas &l= t;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes, we've had this discussion, and IIRC, your opinion was the mi= nority one.

It wouldn't be the first time. But it's still pretty obvi= ous that the
x2 of cusku is words, not meanings, just like the object of= "to say"
and unlike the object of "to express".
=A0
I believe the previous conversation ended with me deciding that, while= "express" was not precisely correct, it did not have the vocal c= onnotation of "say", and a more appropriate word than "expre= ss" which did not have the vocal connotation was searched for but not = found, so i decided to go with express.
=A0
> I'm still disagreeing with you on this whole sub= ject, not willing to get
> into it again, and regardless of which opi= nion is correct, the other cusku
> entries (lo cusku, lo se cusku, et= al.) still use the "express" keyword, so
> either cusku needs to be changed back, which is easier, or all of them= need
> to be changed to "say" as well.

The la= tter would make more sense.

> Also, this is my project, so I get the last word= anyway,=A0and I get to veto
> your opinion on this regard.

I don't disagree with that. I only disagree with your saying that "expresses" is better than "says".
(Did I just misus= e "saying", BTW?)

mu'o mi'e xorxes

Yes, sort of. "Your saying" ascribes possession. You mea= nt "...you saying...."

--
mu'o mi= 9;e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be den= pa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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