From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCR8NfnBBoEwk7LYQ@googlegroups.com Tue Nov 30 23:24:16 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PNh2y-0004pc-5s; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:24:15 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf5591689yxn.16 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:24:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=iOB8Kp0EXrgLsYuCpjlORcnz1wF0Bh2nKSIPMGEXh10=; b=zlqgqybNHaCjQ81eTa7g/A6A/cIm4q/51Ww6IZWeAyPZGvv5VpDHoH/TMisDxPuL+p pkqFuxLItcujQeBF+DWJ5ZRUOkPYZW3x0whBI7ioaQkAZ0LNlk4iu/yAVXTlVEqEoHwV FEni56M3rZFiNc8EzMrIOQ4VX3ug2Gv7xeLlo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Cq+xMHwXQh0bhdTZLew9DkK5ksTKkl5dLXmAMIh4mITqMU/jKrprblSbi3ErRjRIZc CdwkWIjyhiyW1Hwa+q0TK4zmNqnkarkGR0U90lSJlqHj53y6KlexdswCBC7MdDxGSaoI +tV72UViZIsC5YuJL5o2wGYCNr4f75IMDhbjs= Received: by 10.150.4.36 with SMTP id 36mr916587ybd.47.1291188241600; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:24:01 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls2865856ibk.3.p; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.16.75 with SMTP id n11mr2006578iba.14.1291188240500; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.16.75 with SMTP id n11mr2006577iba.14.1291188240299; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f173.google.com (mail-iw0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m30si2318096ibu.2.2010.11.30.23.23.59; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.173; Received: by mail-iw0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 38so509795iwn.32 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:23:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.10.193 with SMTP id q1mr8388361ibq.70.1291188239001; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.199.206 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:23:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 02:23:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] ko in a nested bridi From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022152d60cd52e90e0496543090 --0022152d60cd52e90e0496543090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I was reading the BPFK section on attitudinal modifiers here: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Section:+Attitudinal+Modifiers And I noticed the following example for ga'inai: ".i lo rectu be ko ku se canlu le briju vau ga'i nai" On first seeing this I read it as "be of meat..." and got confused before even getting to the selbri. So, in general, my question is, how do you read {lo broda be ko cu brode}? Is the listener being instructed/commanded to be the x2 of broda or to be x1 of brode? Or to be the x2 of a broda which (still part of the command) is to brode? So in {lo rectu be ko ku klama} should I read that as "be made of meat and come" or "you who are made of meat, come", or "the meat (made of you imperative), are coming"? I guess the same question could be applied to poi/nu and friends. If I am told {lo nu ko tcidu cu cinri} should I assume that I have been commanded to read, be interesting, or both? If I am told {lo prenu poi ko viska ke'a cu nanmu} should I assume that I have been commanded to see the prenu (who is a man)? It seems like there are some cases where it makes sense to do it one way, and other cases where it makes sense to do it the other. mu'o mi'e la .cribe. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0022152d60cd52e90e0496543090 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was reading the BPFK section on attitudinal modifiers here:=A0http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section:+A= ttitudinal+Modifiers
And I noticed the following example for ga'inai: ".i lo rectu be k= o ku se canlu le briju vau ga'i nai"

On f= irst seeing this I read it as "be of meat..." and got confused be= fore even getting to the selbri. =A0So, in general, my question is, how do = you read {lo broda be ko cu brode}? =A0Is the listener being instructed/com= manded to be the x2 of broda or to be x1 of brode? =A0Or to be the x2 of a = broda which (still part of the command) is to brode? =A0So in {lo rectu be = ko ku klama} should I read that as "be made of meat and come" or = "you who are made of meat, come", or "the meat (made of you = imperative), are coming"?

I guess the same question could be applied to poi/nu an= d friends.

If I am told {lo nu ko tcidu cu cinri} = should I assume that I have been commanded to read, be interesting, or both= ?

If I am told {lo prenu poi ko viska ke'a cu nanmu} = should I assume that I have been commanded to see the prenu (who is a man)?=

It seems like there are some cases where it makes= sense to do it one way, and other cases where it makes sense to do it the = other.

mu'o mi'e la .cribe.

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