From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRCJtMPmBBoE9XjVSA@googlegroups.com Tue Nov 02 20:42:19 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PDUEl-0007lZ-Gr; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:42:19 -0700 Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20sf268759gwj.16 for ; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:42:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=k/Hz1sSOmwBAzj0dR2wIldMpNr4sI1QUv182Y2nbu1Y=; b=GxORkQIzpS9REYIBuUzjMB6d9VkKFyNTjTHoV5vyI7aXwH+8BG/Pspp1RDBBBTZVHY YUHPSOnJFD2yyFR+Q8GZRrUvXr7voga0aUYOPNCK2iW0tqi0zLlMt2OpWP201uph1UDS pXp0wYLB/X2BQ03vpUulH8pEG8mynkaCQBnDU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=2536fD3hHgsGxjEIRrbH3cILv2WDJ/6alXzSWITRAIMvNc7UzBFC5oLyvIvdrqmPzj 9ygVZkLLfwZmsonv1y30bJ5ILR/AoQK+pq/S9/6vvyjIWzYs7LNWm7Qe6vseXSxASkZs 2r59dBJNdhwp8Yo5wQxpQTfEBvVtoV6Gz1Yog= Received: by 10.100.33.13 with SMTP id g13mr78658ang.44.1288755721017; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:42:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.28.24 with SMTP id f24ls241556anj.0.p; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:42:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.135.5 with SMTP id m5mr72663ann.35.1288755720439; Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by l8g2000yql.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Tue, 2 Nov 2010 20:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 20:42:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 166.135.161.109 References: <20101102040903.GA10493@alice.local> <4e1aec20-2d77-4473-a6e3-780700105315@v20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <924334.40683.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20101102191856.GE10792@alice.local> <92fe62fc-36e3-4d93-938c-30c010d937e5@v20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <91643.97322.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.12,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <28a32f6d-464a-4ad1-b69b-accfe7e2e231@l8g2000yql.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: mi kakne lo bajra From: Lindar To: lojban X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > x3 is the reason > > itself, not what the action is of the thing in question. If yours is > > the correct version, then how do I express "I want to run in order to > > be healthy."? > =A0mi djica lo nu mi bajra kei lo nu mi kanro So now we have twenty different values of 'want'. What happens when we omit those x1s? {mi djica lo nu bajra kei lo nu kanro}, which would be standard practice now. This would end up being parallel in meaning to {mi djica fi lo nu lo nu mi bajra kei ku kanro} ...or {mi djica fi lo nu mi kanro lo nu mi bajra}, for that matter... So now we have to explicitly mention the x1 in order for this not to happen? You're saying that the x2 is raised to the x2 of the x3's clause in djica (for {mi djica lo plise lo nu citka}. So... now instead of desirer, desired (nu), reason (probably some kind of abstraction), we have "desirer, desired (any), reason (abstraction, x1 is the x1 of main bridi, x2 is x2 of main bridi" if we're making a consistent rule here. Is this correct? If not, please correct me. > I hope you don't think I ever said you cannot put an event in x2. Sure > you can. Both events and objects are fine there. Just as in the x2 of > pilno, or the x2 of viska, or any of the many many other places that > accept both objects and events. Yes... but... ugh... no. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.