From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDI-sXmBBoEVnb5xA@googlegroups.com Wed Nov 03 08:18:44 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PDf6n-0002JV-J1; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:18:44 -0700 Received: by pwi2 with SMTP id 2sf103016pwi.16 for ; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:18:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=+laXbjMjJUYKjJx9pJjpR0Eeo6A64bBXnlogwGUZCAA=; b=j2EvJ6q77ZUDQKZA5rPc1HG/27KbKSPxLaFdDtZtxX9MfKBRNuiFkDQs758s++6PUc pW7Ub1T7EWBBoKZHF9xOCCI7wZc2qtUaioy+5CFkMwHvaTzsSxHhMTobtNzgF4DCIV2l Ts6l8v1HiO9LW1sW3y5HRVft4mkvh+BPwD7m4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=JdYbfzZSGZZLVvebohu8Xhgc4NmfZa4J0aXvlPvElK08CirkOZMO6n23LMM2lv/7YO 68pG64YWFYcxRFcRr8TGTzx37d8MSq6wSBNuDCORslCM/O4qdLwsClasKEMijKa9RM6Z /GWZgjPSo6TinClU44Dkq5xHxsLg0e3/av1gs= Received: by 10.142.249.18 with SMTP id w18mr334554wfh.8.1288797512168; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:18:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.6.9 with SMTP id 9ls1848866wff.3.p; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.135.18 with SMTP id i18mr5388700wfd.22.1288797509903; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.135.18 with SMTP id i18mr5388699wfd.22.1288797509871; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id f13si15461178wfo.0.2010.11.03.08.18.29; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Inhw+Jdt7z1D3BivGPfn2aw54OvUEJw5lAn/booRZkE= c=1 sm=0 a=-JvTsyeLnfUA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=5Ms1SQY_7s5QVPhHYvkA:9 a=NTyfHIb3EBA0xIcfEeY4UeutydEA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:49673] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E4/5A-13137-44D71DC4; Wed, 03 Nov 2010 15:18:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E44B3BA8 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:18:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: mi kakne lo bajra Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:18:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <461946.2061.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <461946.2061.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201011031118.25355.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 03 November 2010 10:01:36 John E Clifford wrote: > Well, 'djuno' typically takes propositions, not event phrases, but, since I > think they are all really propositions anyhow, I can't come down to heavily > on that. And, of course, I can't really object to 'mi djuno do' in the > sense of "I know (something) about you" since I don't object to 'mi djica > ta'. The problem with the more general 'mi djuno lo gerku', say, like 'mi > djica lo plise' is that they so often turn out to be false when you run > them hrough the definitions (actually, I haven't worked it out for 'djuno' > but it seems likely to be the same sort of problem). "I know about you" is "mi djuno fi do". "I know you" is not "mi djuno do"; it's "do slabu mi". Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.