From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCWq63oBBoE-eA2ag@googlegroups.com Fri Dec 17 04:20:54 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTZIo-0007Uk-0y; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:20:54 -0800 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf455634wwb.16 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:20:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fGPsJUDwqaNw1g6D3xRzk1ZCjynjNrb6vuu1V0R1i7w=; b=4dEqjAK7EE6LDW9CCuVL2NjsF/x2iXOkalaeOBIGKMKbTjYmx8xCIDIF4pTOZs/8gB serCkPvzo5+VR8Ueiw+McijZI5lCgRnqm7ZiEgOF87DTPcUrgIP07Bc7POQkHLR00SnM +vW+gOAipmwZpQVOKDmI9NqZELVVQD6AMF/dU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qvkAWGtt39f64UNHjEayelgWd9ci5w7/5NxPVWa5taMgh4f39ttKOqHmqUTN3XcnkR sVtEQoiaUyBdVzHN7eRj3qasBDnnpzhAcRSd6Fdzo73G5owlBhxZSF0uFopAYTVBdJu7 oK0WwbIBf4NsqSAwplSv7pa8RLH4jxH+EtfUY= Received: by 10.216.72.195 with SMTP id t45mr386610wed.15.1292588438978; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:20:38 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.184.76 with SMTP id cj12ls411228wbb.3.p; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.53.195 with SMTP id g45mr31656wec.1.1292588438091; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.53.195 with SMTP id g45mr31655wec.1.1292588438076; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ww0-f54.google.com (mail-ww0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d66si21171wej.5.2010.12.17.04.20.37; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:20:37 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.54; Received: by mail-ww0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 31so541392wwb.35 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:20:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.69.11 with SMTP id x11mr480554wbi.57.1292588436977; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.54.72 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 04:20:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:20:36 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] go'i as "yes" From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > > A: =A0ti'e la .bob. zvati > B: =A0go'i > Would you read that as {me too} or {yes, you heard right. =A0He is here}. The latter, although it's more like: A: I hear Bob is here. B: He is here. > What I'm getting at is, {go'i} clearly does not simply repeat all the wor= ds > of the last bridi or else {xu do broda .i go'i} would expand to {xu do br= oda > .i xu do broda}. =A0So is it just discursives that get dropped? It's not so much that they get dropped, but rather that they were never picked up. All that "go'i" picks up is a proposition, What B does with it is up to B. Presumably, in this case B is asserting it. >=A0I think I > remember hearing xorxes at one point say something like "go'i repeats the > bridi and any left off places are defaulted to those of the previous brid= i". Any left off places are "zo'e", as always. From the context, they will often be those of the previous bridi, as they are the most obvious. > =A0But then, are discursives "left off but NOT defaulted to those of the > previous bridi"? Right, discursives are not a part of the proposition. They sometimes indicate what the speaker is doing with the proposition. > If I were writing a program to parse lojban, how should my parser deal wi= th > a piece of discourse that contained {go'i} if it wanted to expand > everything? > i.e. given the following bridi > .i ti'e .u'i la .bob. noi lazni cu zvati to pe'i cinri toi ma > How does {go'i} differ syntactically and semantically from {zo'e zvati zo= 'e} Neither seems like a very helpful answer to a "ma" question. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.