From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDc-K_oBBoEM9tJOw@googlegroups.com Fri Dec 17 16:12:28 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTkPP-0000lo-G4; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:12:27 -0800 Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19sf908820gxk.16 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:12:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=i7PdYktggIE0N1i8bTgzMufKkT2UNhtSUEHYV6qKJvs=; b=5nxXVhEQSAPlT1k9s7C1BPnQRphylA7N+TF0/iXSnB7IsbZxm5+qSdC00m6y4J2nj8 tLhD0SmmNHsitP2K87jNYYIwYblsoHSnnxXi5UfT9udii/fRDNypqSIQaYN1Jg+3n5Ze 2rMR9xFuoegtlwv1xozrzOn5tIi+CjRN4UQ+w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=YuRoV0ilpc4vNYj6NpvuoPzXW4/r0XTALd8vSlC4YkzlYpzqQHS9rMxB5WieLGUW/i 3oiLikEr/Le+QeEEB6dcsldC7sPd5R+4JNTk1I7pp/HyTAIA/KJ4pv9raaK9KfFj3hkz nwYDpkKnLDQ9m5HX3EQ7fipPjJScrz/Qr52Bc= Received: by 10.91.62.6 with SMTP id p6mr136096agk.20.1292631132809; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:12:12 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.225 with SMTP id d33ls134937ibk.2.p; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:12:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.33.74 with SMTP id g10mr581343ibd.13.1292631132010; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:12:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.33.74 with SMTP id g10mr581342ibd.13.1292631131959; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:12:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f174.google.com (mail-iw0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cu19si156615ibb.1.2010.12.17.16.12.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:12:10 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.174; Received: by iwn9 with SMTP id 9so1321132iwn.33 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:12:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.13.137 with SMTP id c9mr1395189iba.37.1292631130703; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:12:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.19.199 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:12:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:12:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] another la .alis. induced question From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022150467ef5f08d30497a423b1 --0022150467ef5f08d30497a423b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that is an awful lot of vagueness. So, {binxo lo tai darno} -> {binxo zo'e noi ke'a tai zo'e broda}. To make it easier for myself, I'm going to use ba which is easier when trying to demonstrate stuff involving TAGs cinri lo ba viska -> cinri zo'e noi ke'a ba zo'e viska -> (re-ordering because it's easier for me) -> cinri zo'e noi ke'a viska ba zo'e -> (something) (the one who sees (after something) ) So {binxo lo tai darno} is something like {binxo lo darno be tai zo'e} or "becomes (the far thing (in form zo'e) )".... xorxes, you have an amazing property. Just when I start getting full of myself, thinking that I have a "pretty good handle" on lojban grammar (if not vocabulary), I come in and read a translation of yours and am put right back in my proper place :-p 2010/12/17 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > Just read: {...binxo lo tai darno}. I'm not familiar with this form in > > general even. What does (for example) {lo ca viska} mean? "the now > seer"? > > In general, how does {lo TAG broda} expand? > > lo TAG broda =3D zo'e noi ke'a TAG broda > =3D zo'e noi ke'a TAG zo'e broda > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0022150467ef5f08d30497a423b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that is an awful lot of vagueness.

So, {binxo lo tai dar= no} -> {binxo zo'e noi ke'a tai zo'e broda}.

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To make it easier for myself, I'm going to use ba which is ea= sier when trying to demonstrate stuff involving TAGs

cinri lo ba viska -> cinri zo'e noi ke'a ba = zo'e viska -> (re-ordering because it's easier for me) -> cin= ri zo'e noi ke'a viska ba zo'e -> (something) <is interes= ting to> (the one who sees (after something) )

So {binxo lo tai darno} is something like {binxo lo dar= no be tai zo'e} or "becomes (the far thing (in form zo'e) )&qu= ot;....

xorxes, you have an amazing property. =A0J= ust when I start getting full of myself, thinking that I have a "prett= y good handle" on lojban grammar (if not vocabulary), I come in and re= ad a translation of yours and am put right back in my proper place :-p

2010/12/17 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just read: {...binxo lo tai darno}. =A0I'm not familiar with this = form in
> general even. =A0What does (for example) {lo ca viska} mean? =A0"= the now seer"?
> =A0In general, how does {lo TAG broda} expand?

lo TAG broda =3D zo'e noi ke'a TAG broda
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=3D zo'e noi ke'a TAG zo= 9;e broda

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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