From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRCpjOfoBBoE_WesXQ@googlegroups.com Tue Dec 28 03:14:20 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PXXUy-0005qR-FZ; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:14:19 -0800 Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9sf1619007pzk.16 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:12:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=YREAqrZwXOIgvxJav7976rNTBLEQqOOtzaOPq/xkt/s=; b=aO9oekSHgu6PTYd0Vgut0nkwdDMPBGtqsPZjZKVnAQkq4U1jJDhDlSZ4dJHKBxltnt SvUVNsAJc8+h1Lhp3L5e/Y42sQmIWBsYa9VL5KfOo05x7+EHA910Tr9ipwGABxtQEswc Fo72/4/bPPEIekji7HbH/sU1AlNUMSqvXMSnM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=0hu1XI9vcUGliwBEw1MIMcKNLCtEguhWn8kT9xoiXp+zJGKRMY4HU22kRCwOAM4LOS i/A5pzsD/vjTa1fMZIrBsveqHTWqOy1ptrUZLJvb0/QuXztCmJQ6IJnHmqloZ/CYd2gs ozMLZOm9PXgeZLumqMIGq7zY0c+FiQtdFJDBo= Received: by 10.142.150.28 with SMTP id x28mr658846wfd.7.1293534761389; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:12:41 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.121.31 with SMTP id t31ls14003211wfc.3.p; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:12:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.210.15 with SMTP id i15mr147380wfg.33.1293534760646; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:12:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by o14g2000prn.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:12:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:12:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 32.173.36.55 References: <782268.21580.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101206 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.13,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: Tanru automatically forming From: Lindar To: lojban X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > I'm sorry; I just can't see any substantive upside to making tanru > non-forming by default. +1 > Even as much as I see people forming them all > the time by accident (generally because they don't completely > understand how terminators work.) +1 > I may be a bit biased, though, > because I generally love using tanru. I use tons of them, because they > often get the job done faster and with the same, easily implied > meaning. +1 > For any given bridi, the only common place where you'll have > to consciously mark against tanru creation is before the 'main' > selbri, and that's easily solved with at worst a single terminator, or > {cu} to avoid multiples. I use tanru within {lo ... ku} quite often > and to have to mark that I'm creating tanru would absolutely slow my > speech and add way too much verbosity. Nothing gained, plenty lost. +1 > As a brief aside - and please, no one take this as a a personal attack > - this sort of proposal is the sort of thing that breathes of improper > mastery of terminators. tanru became *far* less confusing and ominous > to me once I learned them properly. +1 It's one of many nifty ideas that will never ever ever be implemented in Lojban. Sorry. mi'e .lindar. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.