What would be an acceptable sort of answer? So far you= have one from practicality (there are many tanru so it will lengthen alrea= dy overlong sentences), one from one sort of theory (parts of compounds are= tightly bound and don't need additional marks), Lojban is based on Logic a= nd in Logic you can't have this addition because of the regression problem,= and the empirical evidence that most languages don't use explicit connecto= rs between modifier and modified. Since your question was "Why do it this w= ay?" (or maybe, "Why not do it this other way?), these seem sufficient answ= ers. In addition, I suppose, we should add "Because nobody thought of= it at the times" -- probably for some of the mentioned factors.

From: Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com><= br>To: lojban@googlegroups= .com
Sent: Tue, Decembe= r 28, 2010 4:52:32 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Tanru automatically forming

"It won't be implemented" doesn't progress much towards answering my questi= on, especially since my question was never a proposal.

The argument= s so far seem to be "tanru are more common than you think" and "the binding= between seltau and tertau is tight enough that it makes logical sense for = it to not need a cmavo". Any others?

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Tue, Dec 28, 20= 10 at 6:12 AM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'm sorry; I just can't see any substantive upside t= o making tanru
> non-forming by default.

> Even as much as I see people forming them all
> the time by accident (generally because they don't completely
> understand how terminators work.)

> I may be a bit biased, though,
> because I generally love using tanru. I use tons of them, because they=
> often get the job done faster and with the same, easily implied
> meaning.

> For any given bridi, the only common place where you'll have
> to consciously mark against tanru creation is before the 'main'
> selbri, and that's easily solved with at worst a single terminator, or=
> {cu} to avoid multiples. I use tanru within {lo ... ku} quite often > and to have to mark that I'm creating tanru would absolutely slow my > speech and add way too much verbosity. Nothing gained, plenty lost.

> As a brief aside - and please, no one take this as a a personal attack=
> - this sort of proposal is the sort of thing that breathes of improper=
> mastery of terminators. tanru became *far* less confusing and ominous<= br> > to me once I learned them properly.

+1

It's one of many nifty ideas that will never ever ever be implemented
in Lojban. Sorry.

mi'e .lindar. mu'o

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