From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDA5vboBBoESdM0Tg@googlegroups.com Fri Dec 31 02:41:19 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PYcQ8-0008E5-H8; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:41:19 -0800 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf6168524vws.16 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:41:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=77FOe5ThVB98qqqqIdrIlY8v9JVDr6zuEIdvajXhUGw=; b=oRdR23Phq7O45QGmsq+75sOx+3tyUgZiq5qD8oIf5XIIaiEqcUkew5kgmJViNeHRHo djFz6TsmIE5sprotVKHkBXQWydljkeCcPtJggp6G9MQObfZiCb/omnw79poxWKKvmyha vtBnl7kpaFJ5mePYANBSHUT+30S7kdmc0dzTI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=CacONaKmyPpYF5PvBRnRURNl1S8x8rLjotTFbOrKI1j7jnti4yi8zshcQjQJsjfejU 19dZJIMu0qkRlT4pPOM79KH3nku+YfGc2cy9wAXGjsp6qh1zUBAYdMgxYWOSoYFsmOSB ffOfHH10KRfDaMeiTSpQg1SCpo+Pqnk6/uAmg= Received: by 10.220.193.72 with SMTP id dt8mr716801vcb.45.1293792064447; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:41:04 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.89.74 with SMTP id d10ls1576139vcm.5.p; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:41:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.187.194 with SMTP id cx2mr2298522vcb.8.1293792062818; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:41:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.187.194 with SMTP id cx2mr2298521vcb.8.1293792062798; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:41:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l22si1475097vbn.4.2010.12.31.02.41.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:41:01 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.182; Received: by mail-qy0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 36so11599393qyk.6 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:41:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.230.198 with SMTP id jn6mr10386254qcb.61.1293792061580; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:41:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.204 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:41:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201012301717.31348.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201012301717.31348.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 05:41:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] GIhA question From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Thursday 30 December 2010 16:19:48 Jameson Orndorff wrote: >> When you say something like {.i mi tavla gi'e citka}, is it safe to >> assume that you are in fact saying {.i mi tavla zo'e zo'e zo'e gi'e >> citka zo'e} and NOT where {zo'e}s are shared amongst both bridi? It >> seems like obviously so, but I want to make sure. > > Yes. If you say "mi tavla je citka", then you're talking to what you're > eating; if you say "mi tavla gi'e citka", you're talking to someone and > eating something, not implying that they are the same. You can also put a > sumti between "tavla" and "gi'e". You can identify x3 of "tavla" with x2 > of "citka" by saying "mi tavla je setese citka do lo vanjba". > > Pierre > Also, if you DID want to have same unspecified-but-obvious object that you both talked to and ate, you could say "mi tavla gi'e citka vau zo'e" --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.