From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDF-NvnBBoEPysexQ@googlegroups.com Wed Dec 01 17:54:28 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PNyNM-0000FL-Fa; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:54:27 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf6309060yxn.16 for ; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:54:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=AvmLp+dNXUFML3zfVubZpPLfqUenLdNJGBvxPWk9Z/c=; b=Sc06c80j+JfV5MUwY5oWB057xzHLuJIDK145eKTk32Kmf+bNUkmXfwEGyxrrOsed/S s/+BT2uAcmfibXtqzAzv/SzQ4DVPb6kvMCFqcb+lnnZtTk7y7F43Evwq48h6RAuY3Lm+ 9ddQ13VtuvFjrwuPPiQo9jeyFvOE7xo0YeegU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=v3CJuAx2CWhVciLgjwV8Hg0MvMegEavjDhgrx0iMSVerlMdxuDbkAD97EqQGuXsxBn 0BCxAI7jsYCXyTfDk+7mQr/AO9+xTEA11czq1BzsO/dnbYvUr4RgyrfoAYe46UZoLKaB NPFVtcfVA1bzMXyeAI0azyxp512KacdeZQuD4= Received: by 10.100.5.14 with SMTP id 14mr271165ane.1.1291254853891; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:54:13 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.141.220 with SMTP id n28ls3012915ibu.0.p; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:54:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.37.8 with SMTP id v8mr3301054ibd.7.1291254852871; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.37.8 with SMTP id v8mr3301046ibd.7.1291254852253; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f177.google.com (mail-iw0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d9si238440ibq.7.2010.12.01.17.54.11; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:54:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.177; Received: by mail-iw0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 6so433798iwn.22 for ; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:54:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.11.9 with SMTP id r9mr2046619ibr.47.1291254851042; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:54:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.206.146 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:54:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <659354.26852.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <604115.16202.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <752705.36302.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <822423.65423.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <605319.19000.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <433664.89554.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <906301.34622.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <306693.13766.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <144450.19864.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <132939.86626.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <886986.39526.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <476795.46183.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <435142.54831.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <194237.46033.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 18:54:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032557552ab5fdc5049663b2c8 --00032557552ab5fdc5049663b2c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Craig Daniel wrote: > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 6:01 PM, John E Clifford > > wrote: > >> > >> Why not, given that it is built on 'ie'? > >> Gee, I hope someone can do better than xorxes. > > > > > > Because of the bloody definition of the bloody word {pei}. > > > > UIdai is used to indicate another's UI-state, why do you have such a > problem > > with UIpei, which is used to ask about it? > > UIdai is *not* used to indicate another's UI-state, but the speaker's > UI-state and the fact that it is empathetic in nature. > *empathetic* 1. Showing empathy for /others/, and recognizing their feelings etc *empathy* (*uncountable *) 1. the intellectual identification of the thoughts, feelings, or state of /another person/ -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00032557552ab5fdc5049663b2c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@g= mail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> On = Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 6:01 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Why not, given that it is built on '= ;ie'?
>> Gee, I hope someone can do better than xorxes.
>= ;
>
> Because of the bloody definition of the bloody word {pei}= .
>
> UIdai is used to indicate another's UI-state, why do you h= ave such a problem
> with UIpei, which is used to ask about it?
UIdai is *not* used to indicate another's UI-state, but the spe= aker's
UI-state and the fact that it is empathetic in nature.

empathetic

  1. Showing empathy for /others/, and recognizi= ng their feelings etc
empathy (uncountable)
  1. the intellectual identification of the thoughts, feelings, or state of = /another person/

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le = bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to = the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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