From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRCVntznBBoE-b4RbA@googlegroups.com Wed Dec 01 19:14:42 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PNzd1-0006GN-Lm; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:14:42 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf6351487yxn.16 for ; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:14:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=a4MI/JB4swDWrvpWK/mw/cFdivLMgBaC0YH4N1cFltw=; b=t45A3x/08JKzFK5Dj/vMTuSC3E3zAIo0wxyBkpnTiObwKr157Edlg37UMOyHJdyGuT +GqlPfyw//yCRRrB2Ek8lmvMpoXkUbremgJ0rIQx3yxQpa6cdJSKsc+Bdb3LjkPW6Xnj /VPOGi3YO/Kqh5+uFyq5SAj7BdV86pkl4il9E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=UkFE5oDcZ3gMd4olcnSxq3dUKZtIrhSvyFJkDIyywgs0d0KeEL6w9L3886NtCbsbu2 KY4JUGXqnKwC8Ir+av/bXvsEuEQRP3LFPx/Uw2/n+4zbHnO4whe2i3jG0cghjP4P1nHH 5xcOnnsLh4R4LO9BRKRVxMiHidVOOIbqtZYJA= Received: by 10.101.139.35 with SMTP id r35mr1129ann.31.1291259669243; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:14:29 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.164.26 with SMTP id r26ls1677810ano.4.p; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.207.3 with SMTP id e3mr3712ang.41.1291259668552; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.207.3 with SMTP id e3mr3711ang.41.1291259668538; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id w40si131908ana.3.2010.12.01.19.14.27; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:14:27 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.121 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.121; Received: (qmail 23595 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2010 03:14:27 -0000 Message-ID: <944795.22261.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: puoNCvgVM1nAJ9urD519LaDAtd66Cf8QEh8GDt_rVWtl.cM YuBMUm4YN4LJEhKGV3RdlQokYT1VQs6DU78kbes5LF8Ytq6PkAgZVQAJBjtH pNctsK.z6rUlraN4hMV2Dq.jIyl1lkTnAMIm_Q3uyRVOBxuxFflE5asroCGb k1fwVC4lA.vSOR9xbZN5AY9m4YOyi5jALpOwpZMgl7cmk.1T9QJ8VCM.5.Yj vF8EkgCBxuxfDux2PRJkUc8vPQtLC49eyMQX3ZXcFjxHyW4_RjtoAZPb6fH. kYl2KS0CidGvfb86uLUmPfC8TdMgdupmjzLHS90aDadHaGaD0hSSBa_3pV.Z def_Mbj1ULWBkLfkp6peRO8x8EdJxRQ-- Received: from [99.92.110.13] by web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:14:26 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <659354.26852.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <604115.16202.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <752705.36302.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <822423.65423.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <605319.19000.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <433664.89554.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <906301.34622.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <306693.13766.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <144450.19864.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <132939.86626.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <886986.39526.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <476795.46183.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <435142.54831.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <194237.46033.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:14:26 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.121 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I suspect he means 'UIda'ai' which was apparently devised just for the purpose given. But is illegitmate logically, without a whole mess of further considerations. (see previous letter and my reply). ----- Original Message ---- From: Craig Daniel To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 7:32:18 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 6:01 PM, John E Clifford > wrote: >> >> Why not, given that it is built on 'ie'? >> Gee, I hope someone can do better than xorxes. > > > Because of the bloody definition of the bloody word {pei}. > > UIdai is used to indicate another's UI-state, why do you have such a problem > with UIpei, which is used to ask about it? UIdai is *not* used to indicate another's UI-state, but the speaker's UI-state and the fact that it is empathetic in nature. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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