From lojban+bncCMPA7-ejFhDRltjnBBoEIQEyYA@googlegroups.com Wed Dec 01 00:46:25 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PNiKR-00034J-Fz; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 00:46:25 -0800 Received: by gwj17 with SMTP id 17sf2704219gwj.16 for ; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 00:46:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qOLswzi0cb6hYXlRrv4mY9IQntuucQG7zflptlSR2pY=; b=uCIOOpmKhTvE4yZqnaY28CXl1KxLSNtd0JIBLq/IIY4ev8a7Vmn/4BSxuf3lFykR5T jIdl7/ZjIjWz96uAALaeRR3bVevC/oWIzVkwVqwN3bsSef0Oa4nNkdLZ5q/D/9hqQ3qk s8l4WHJmikO9Wrtv9x+KZPfYcqcXoyitQQyJo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=sKBtK+FJd5zBnVdjXJfmp/KwBSLG/LUsuTiurz2jBtzMvD++cYwoxkA0cj7Sm6ad9v jMH9XQgJFbMzBqzpxOgKZnXIc+dgqd8lhKoVv56fwP13ZSNOC7KGD3N/0qwDegEXBHzD 2n+AQc+TXKr6SKrgyDhspGzxkGZCAuDR7f7vw= Received: by 10.100.41.7 with SMTP id o7mr256787ano.8.1291193169400; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 00:46:09 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.56.38 with SMTP id e38ls151187ana.3.p; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 00:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.5.17 with SMTP id 17mr1623066ane.15.1291193168694; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 00:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.5.17 with SMTP id 17mr1623065ane.15.1291193168681; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 00:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b27si1620434ana.1.2010.12.01.00.46.07; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 00:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com designates 209.85.161.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.172; Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so3074443gxk.31 for ; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 00:46:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.213.8 with SMTP id l8mr6082320ang.187.1291193167552; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 00:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.92.12 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 00:46:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 08:46:07 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Smart.fm error From: Brian Shannon To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com designates 209.85.161.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@googlemail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > You say words, you express meanings. > You say "thank you", you express gratitude. > You say "I love you", you express your feelings. > > You cusku words, you cusku "thank you", you cusku "I love you". > You don't cusku meanings, gratitude or your feelings. > > "x1 says x2 to x3 via medium x4" is a much more accurate translation > of "cusku" than the version with "expresses", despite the gi'uste's > unfortunate choice of keyword. And "via medium x4" makes it plain that > this is not restricted to bacru, in case you were tempted to use such > an artificially restricted meaning of "say". > > Of course words do have meanings, so when you say words you are also > expressing their meanings, but what goes in x2 are the words, not the > meanings. This explanation makes much more sense. Unless you wish to tell us that "I say 'hello' to you using irc" is not a proper use of the word "say" in English. Clearly it is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.