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I'm sorting and have put them i= n one=20 pile, to be dealt with after the "easy" stuff is done. Suggestions eagerly= =20 accepted. ________________________________ From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 9:14:26 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation Isn't that what .a'a is for? Or maybe ju'i... although, when it says "ju'i= :=20 attention - at ease - ignore me" does that mean that "ju'i" means "give me= your=20 attention" or "I am being attentive"? It seems like I've seen the latter o= n IRC=20 but the existence of "ignore me" would seem to indicate the former to me. On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Michael Turniansky = =20 wrote: 2010/11/29 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > >> Maybe a UI for "I'm here!" wouldn't be unreasonable. If there was such >> a UI, we could use it to ask, although it would probably make more >> sense as a COI. Let's say "bu'au" was such a COI. Then "bu'au pei >> " would be a good way to do a roll call. >> > Gee, I hate* to add to a thread that already has more than a 100 >messages on it, especially for what is mostly a tongue-in-cheek >comment, but what's wrong with >"u'aro'ose'ise'o"? > > --gejyspa > >*(well, obviously, I don't hate it, because if I did, I would avoid doing= =20 it...) > > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 >"lojban" group. >To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 >lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at=20 >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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As I am going through the list I have found a number of o= ther cases where it is unclear just what was meant to be going on. I'm sort= ing and have put them in one pile, to be dealt with after the "easy" stuff = is done. Suggestions eagerly accepted.


From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 9:= 14:26 AM
Subject: Re: [= lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation

Isn't that what .a'a is for?  Or maybe ju'i... although, when it says = "ju'i:  attention - at ease - ignore me" does that mean that "ju'i" me= ans "give me your attention" or "I am being attentive"?  It seems like= I've seen the latter on IRC but the existence of "ignore me" would seem to= indicate the former to me.

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Michael Turn= iansky <mtur= niansky@gmail.com> wrote:
2010/11/29 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjl= lambias@gmail.com>:

> Maybe a UI for "I'm here!" wouldn't be unreasonable. If there was such=
> a UI, we could use it to ask, although it would probably make more
> sense as a COI. Let's say "bu'au" was such a COI. Then "bu'au pei
> <name>" would be a good way to do a roll call.
>
  Gee, I hate* to add to a thread that already has more than a 100 messages on it, especially for what is mostly a tongue-in-cheek
comment, but what's wrong with
"u'aro'ose'ise'o"?

              --gejyspa

*(well, obviously, I don't hate it, because if I did, I would avoid doing i= t...)

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