From lojban+bncCL-Ey5qiChDs2d_nBBoEd00RzQ@googlegroups.com Thu Dec 02 11:01:14 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1POEP0-0004mr-H8; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:01:14 -0800 Received: by gwj17 with SMTP id 17sf4083372gwj.16 for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:01:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8TaPDKj3adeHknt+aw/OXBNAuLpFfuKeBaFPm4dpp+Q=; b=Zu27fnZsFdr4uLYIymQdY0vu+S5C5ykY7JGzHfq7C15IKC+rPEr/2xgikuhK3Db8qR t2stYgjQuSDtZJgxc6tR+y5iVxhtxTreBruPJHmFWVNVhqcdUeVEu4Ikj5E2k93ZsCtQ SDh0MtJPYkbY/fldRMAJV2Mgbqlk0lU5STzdU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GdSK+7k9TqUJ2fAyEcGPpoz0FkuznJo3oovqDZaJyXH6B8gK+tY0WYPTcsV1F5bDaW uL18xcPzxoQa7AqrUudTuQE6/49yE316o6Z7fK7oVTLoIYYh6za+S4MEab4tKcPsXfGk lUGQ5y5BGaGTBRwidYZ/7Zdz9dGsaK8C45GpA= Received: by 10.91.45.5 with SMTP id x5mr86739agj.56.1291316460334; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:01:00 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.18.19 with SMTP id v19ls2211663agi.6.p; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:00:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.146.6 with SMTP id y6mr275888ybn.14.1291316459715; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:00:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.146.6 with SMTP id y6mr275887ybn.14.1291316459680; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:00:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gx0-f170.google.com (mail-gx0-f170.google.com [209.85.161.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id f46si131967yhc.8.2010.12.02.11.00.58; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:00:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.170; Received: by mail-gx0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 20so4228414gxk.1 for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:00:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.218.136 with SMTP id hq8mr152601icb.287.1291316458495; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:00:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.196.198 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 11:00:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <659354.26852.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <604115.16202.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <752705.36302.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <822423.65423.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <605319.19000.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <433664.89554.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <906301.34622.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <306693.13766.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <144450.19864.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <132939.86626.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <886986.39526.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <476795.46183.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <435142.54831.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <194237.46033.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <944795.22261.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:00:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation From: Craig Daniel To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: craigbdaniel@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=craigbdaniel@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/12/2 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Craig Daniel wro= te: >> >> However, I can see no easy way to define "da'ai" such that it does not >> contain anything propositional, > > What is "da'ai"? If you mean "da'oi", which is just like "dai" only it > allows you to also indicate who you're empathizing with, I don't see > anything propositional in it. I'd never heard of "da'ai" outside of this thread, but it sounds from the references herein like it is a version of "dai" that specifically excludes any meaning other than observation of another's emotional state, with no empathetic emotion on the part of the speaker being indicated. I'd love it if somebody more familiar with the currently "in" raft of experimental cmavo would confirm. - mi'e .kreig. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.