From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCe2t_nBBoEkXDolA@googlegroups.com Thu Dec 02 11:02:05 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1POEPo-0004pS-Gs; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:02:05 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf7037992yxn.16 for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:01:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QdEC8i3L9711Nyobx28+mUmUhp4uyJxShBuNeZZSNyg=; b=DUWgSF0xAnKs2gHJfbhUK5pl1PBpUAuyL95pAOi1vYY0+N2RvtUFp2l1AS45+lDIwr 2YeA62a81RpDjE7zM/AvE51txI0btNlOS4mLuRzpkzO+FcKga3+R8SHg5aDuUEuQ6xKM 0O/Y/4/RmjkVU6MURgC1aLYk7MSejQT4iK5is= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Ii/yAFB/re6dN08ypFDkIFT7EaBQ1l3Bsu9ABLBvkFyVxb9bs/YJrUSniWwSHpOsTc 35ebRcmFWHV819C3UpxBYgkjjC7Xz7H3CNM+0QRhFelxpu3PYJxkQ9G6f0QjJpMciccT n4VwulirzOwGd0IYcdpEKTG6pBY74gi+tLLcM= Received: by 10.150.69.28 with SMTP id r28mr129113yba.21.1291316510036; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:01:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls3591038ibk.3.p; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.16.141 with SMTP id o13mr225904iba.1.1291316509296; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.16.141 with SMTP id o13mr225902iba.1.1291316509223; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f172.google.com (mail-iw0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b32si307796ibq.1.2010.12.02.11.01.48; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.172; Received: by iwn40 with SMTP id 40so10202240iwn.17 for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:01:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.12.73 with SMTP id w9mr605980ibw.95.1291316506882; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.199.206 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 11:01:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <659354.26852.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <604115.16202.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <752705.36302.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <822423.65423.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <605319.19000.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <433664.89554.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <34382.7549.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8013.76001.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:01:46 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032557364aaf766c0496720d23 --00032557364aaf766c0496720d23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Based on the very last link (went through all the rest first looking for it= , doh'), it sounds like using "ju'i" as a shortcut for something like "mi jundi" would be wrong. I'll keep that in mind. 2010/12/2 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:55 PM, John E Clifford > wrote: > > As I am going through the list I have found a number of other cases whe= re > it > > is unclear just what was meant to be going on. I'm sorting and have put > them > > in one pile, to be dealt with after the "easy" stuff is done. Suggestio= ns > > eagerly accepted. > > You may also find some of the expanded definitions and examples helpful: > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Realis+A= ttitudinals > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Irrealis= +Attitudinals > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Evidenti= als > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Discursi= ves > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Text+Str= ucture+Discursives > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Highligh= t+Discursives > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Attitudi= nal+Specifiers > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Attitudi= nal+Modifiers > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Intensif= iers > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Vocative= s > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --00032557364aaf766c0496720d23 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Based on the very last link (went through all the rest first looking for it= , doh'), it sounds like using "ju'i" as a shortcut for so= mething like "mi jundi" would be wrong. =A0I'll keep that in = mind.

2010/12/2 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:55 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> As I am going through the list I have found a number of other cases wh= ere it
> is unclear just what was meant to be going on. I'm sorting and hav= e put them
> in one pile, to be dealt with after the "easy" stuff is done= . Suggestions
> eagerly accepted.

You may also find some of the expanded definitions and examples helpf= ul:

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-ind= ex.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Realis+Attitudinals

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-i= ndex.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Irrealis+Attitudinals

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?p= age=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Evidentials

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?p= age=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Discursives

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/t= iki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Text+Structure+Discursives

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-i= ndex.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Highlight+Discursives

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-= index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Attitudinal+Specifiers

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-i= ndex.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Attitudinal+Modifiers

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?= page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Intensifiers

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?pag= e=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Vocatives

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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