From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCm9t_nBBoEIZYeyA@googlegroups.com Thu Dec 02 12:01:56 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1POFLk-00006i-R9; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:01:56 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf18511369qyk.16 for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:01:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=fF6FQZIlof72yNlvfO2lNirg2itGyauAfUfTBJQjc7w=; b=YYVQaO8c1NtifQwDnjUFw+M2DBQlpGnCeHtGJ9Ffs4tKzBez4iJL+G19qr8vjqMU0e fe3chPEmG70n6pR2SngbOcTV6jY+F4EnYK1TcYvgnMewgqB1gmmqZ8ksMN5+vP2jq1np OmulEwuLXrovx/OQcyVcgZAYfEXmWeAXRuTOU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=vQ21/a+YlChfuSHr41QVzItJZ8CWnxRIje9Xoy2+dJY69XVzEqerSXFgeVlaRfsf58 F46hbKpUKYDYCmdlr1jPF96SQoE+chpwbFqWgUYWb595kJ1cuURQyRhs/zFAp2B0NJLO DobUtbtTE9RUqMcEYF3JZLT3Xk6hitNA3Zhx0= Received: by 10.229.34.72 with SMTP id k8mr102513qcd.27.1291320102521; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:01:42 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.56.161 with SMTP id y33ls3074877qcg.1.p; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:01:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.186.141 with SMTP id cs13mr78675qcb.10.1291320101580; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:01:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.186.141 with SMTP id cs13mr78674qcb.10.1291320101538; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:01:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f48.google.com (mail-vw0-f48.google.com [209.85.212.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j6si211430qcu.2.2010.12.02.12.01.40; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.48; Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so3535627vws.35 for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:01:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.81.74 with SMTP id w10mr418685qck.75.1291320100281; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.219.14 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 12:01:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <638130.69866.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <659354.26852.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <604115.16202.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <752705.36302.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <822423.65423.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <605319.19000.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <433664.89554.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <906301.34622.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <306693.13766.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <164975.71420.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <575924.12596.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <577940.60375.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <638130.69866.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 15:01:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:20 AM, John E Clifford wrote: > I have, happily, finally figured out what y'all haven't been telling me: the > fundamental meaning of the discursives is not first person expression, as > the literature might lead one to believe, but merely to indicate a > particular scale. Drat! I was (seriously) about to try that tack with you, saying that I didn't see hte "firstpersonness" as being inherent in the UI. But that's what happens when I'm behind, and threads continuously evolve and get pushed off deeper in the stack of gmail to read. My SECONDARY tack would have been to say, "even IF firstpersonhood were inherent in UI, what's the problem with a transformational word? After all "a bu" doesn't mean "I'm saying a sumti disjunction...whoops, I'm not, it's the letter A". Nor does "re mei" mean "there are two of... oh, wait, I mean something is a duet". Plenty of lojban words completely change the meanings of preceeding words. Why can't "pei" mean, "if you were to say the previous word, how would you do so, including any modifiers thereunto?"...or something like that? (I know, I know, that would be a whole bridi the way I express, but hopefully, that's not gonn abe the sticking point)." --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.