From lojban+bncCI-H3dM3EP-05OcEGgQ3OS3u@googlegroups.com Fri Dec 03 08:28:01 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1POYUD-0000ge-8x; Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:28:00 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf20381639qyk.16 for ; Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:27:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=kkt3ib1/iuPdbjh46l0zXPzDMYnTjjGmpedrS9QDWdM=; b=vIbWCvhnF9V9+vFVXhF2Suu0QTyuUTdll5Q74Vyo5h+2Pr0wnsbcqDyOyRrjfwPiYI hpyGcMw3y+FiDhIq9GhHfSiDffZUH4fnbtp+hc+bqt/9uBa9GVdVBilZ+fzfVozYWbPy z/XtyxwXjSUROQ/K/uFVAgudUC9ZrO8x2/UK4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=D0eLRwpTOXlDPjUvzmipYwh8vw9KTXasEufX4WZ7Nc6m4bFMXWjxBeVNCpId0uo09v Jh6dBTwdVHaHpcyuIaB4JRJZWpMzp9fWc0fnfl4lwBbQ8X7bp34K/CcK1lui3auTNgVX tFsXHmfXIR0/+7LOHNuy6WkStM6UDtE6yzrMw= Received: by 10.229.127.151 with SMTP id g23mr253814qcs.21.1291393663719; Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:27:43 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.3.2 with SMTP id 2ls1826526qal.7.p; Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:27:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.37.19 with SMTP id v19mr106124qad.17.1291393662811; Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:27:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by u3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Fri, 3 Dec 2010 08:27:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 08:27:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <547f2fd5-c8a4-4dec-acee-97412386bf83@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com> X-IP: 89.232.124.106 References: <547f2fd5-c8a4-4dec-acee-97412386bf83@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101028 Firefox/3.6.12 (Palemoon/3.6.12),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <8e8d61ff-55bf-40ce-8785-eb9368e6d81a@u3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Question about apparent inconsistency with "nixli". From: najrut To: lojban X-Original-Sender: ruler11post@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It would be impossible to create absolute symmetry in root words. That's the way modern Esperanto tries to work (doktorino means female doctor and doktoric^o means male doctor, but in numerous other cases Esperanto is not logical at all). But I think it's possible to eliminate nixli and nanla at all. Aren't "fetyve'a" (fetsi zei verba) and "nakyve'a" (nakni zei verba) synonyms of those words ? Then there can be a simple table. fetyve'a = nixli = girl nakyve'a = nakla = boy fetytunba = mensi = sister naktunba = bruna = brother fetre'a = ninmu = woman nakre'a = nanmu = man Quite easy to remember, isn't it ? On Nov 30, 3:18 pm, Pan Mistwood wrote: > Back when I first dove into learning Lojban, I noticed an apparent > inconsistency with four gismu. And as far as I can tell, there's no > reason for it, but I could be mistaken. So, after much > procrastination, I'm asking about it here. (And as far as I could find > with Google Web search and a search within this group, it hasn't been > brought up before, which is rather surprising to me.) > > The gismu "nanmu" virtually means the English "man" or, more > generally, "male humanoid". The gismu "ninmu" virtually means the > English "woman" or "female humanoid". The gismu "nanla" virtually > means the English "boy". Now, I understand that they are not preferred > over the gismu "verba", "remna", and "prenu", but they do exist and > are recognised as Lojbanic gismu. > > From those gismu, I can see a pattern. "nanmu" and "nanla" share "na-" > while "nanla" and "nanmu" share "-mu". Following this pattern, the > gismu virtually meaning the English "girl" would be "ninla"; "ni-" as > in "ninmu" and "-la" as in "nanla". However, the gismu is actually > "nixli". My question: as "ninla" is valid gismu syntax, is consistent > with "nanmu", "nanla", and "ninmu", and is not already used to mean > something else, why is "nixli" used instead? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.