From lojban+bncCMuVt8jMERCSuuTnBBoEK_5r0A@googlegroups.com Fri Dec 03 08:38:54 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1POYeo-0000TH-Js; Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:38:54 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf20400181qyk.16 for ; Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:38:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received :mime-version:received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-via:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XyYQFTxYA94wJr6UMYZpJKbLifhamKnvWdTviFD5WIk=; b=23bJSi2sspQdrO37RigbsQTuCeB3SOv230V0DXrVELkL+2hoQX8J+6RdX0/+cn4cq7 6jC1iO8pDIMAi89YVtnO6xZ4VPOvUl8YzdGgwsCHu4EqwLwF+PFex6XdjNMixN1YS4F2 1t+36fj6kQX+78d2wsz1ub08TTo73/kR94kmE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-via:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kkaVMTzSRNCGYGQaekool+0NyeL8a7TzOShVbelG/4ZTqvKcbkqDM0tA096gsPi657 V/g2gb658f0sygudoKaq4882AqWg+7DsRp+XgFypENkYEjbS7iyxrj1JE1HLlXtMzHEs bkdKLZAj08krZKYiatm+xBno8mdIQ9VQX+Yu8= Received: by 10.229.130.170 with SMTP id t42mr255572qcs.28.1291394322559; Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:38:42 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.166.70 with SMTP id l6ls1821480qay.2.p; Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.89.73 with SMTP id d9mr200804qam.12.1291394321874; Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:38:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.10.195 with SMTP id q3mr106618qaq.56.1291393467915; Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:24:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by fu15g2000vbb.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Fri, 3 Dec 2010 08:24:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 08:24:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <547f2fd5-c8a4-4dec-acee-97412386bf83@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com> X-IP: 95.168.183.161 References: <547f2fd5-c8a4-4dec-acee-97412386bf83@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-Via: fasTun X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101028 Firefox/3.6.12 (Palemoon/3.6.12),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <1f776f12-a5d2-4e32-bfc1-e5246c1d7308@fu15g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Question about apparent inconsistency with "nixli". From: Taspie To: lojban X-Original-Sender: arcady.balandin@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It would be impossible to create absolute symmetry in root words. That's the way modern Esperanto tries to work (doktorino means female doctor and doktoric^o means male doctor, but in numerous other cases Esperanto is not logical at all). But I think it's possible to eliminate nixli and nanla at all. Aren't "fetyve'a" (fetsi zei verba) and "nakyve'a" (nakni zei verba) synonyms of those words ? Then there can be a simple table. fetyve'a =3D nixli =3D girl nakyve'a =3D nakla =3D boy fetytunba =3D mensi =3D sister naktunba =3D bruna =3D brother fetre'a =3D ninmu =3D woman nakre'a =3D nanmu =3D man Quite easy to remember, isn't it ? On Nov 30, 3:18=A0pm, Pan Mistwood wrote: > Back when I first dove into learning Lojban, I noticed an apparent > inconsistency with four gismu. And as far as I can tell, there's no > reason for it, but I could be mistaken. So, after much > procrastination, I'm asking about it here. (And as far as I could find > with Google Web search and a search within this group, it hasn't been > brought up before, which is rather surprising to me.) > > The gismu "nanmu" virtually means the English "man" or, more > generally, "male humanoid". The gismu "ninmu" virtually means the > English "woman" or "female humanoid". The gismu "nanla" virtually > means the English "boy". Now, I understand that they are not preferred > over the gismu "verba", "remna", and "prenu", but they do exist and > are recognised as Lojbanic gismu. > > From those gismu, I can see a pattern. "nanmu" and "nanla" share "na-" > while "nanla" and "nanmu" share "-mu". Following this pattern, the > gismu virtually meaning the English "girl" would be "ninla"; "ni-" as > in "ninmu" and "-la" as in "nanla". However, the gismu is actually > "nixli". My question: as "ninla" is valid gismu syntax, is consistent > with "nanmu", "nanla", and "ninmu", and is not already used to mean > something else, why is "nixli" used instead? --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.