From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxCcsernBBoE63tEVQ@googlegroups.com Sat Dec 04 11:38:18 2010 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1POxvy-0001I4-Eq; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 11:38:18 -0800 Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19sf3841398pxi.16 for ; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 11:38:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=GVd5cohYJeJznAFo8NRz+c6mH38MKXstY7NF0q6pGfQ=; b=GnX4dkex/oScBB2AmPhW+kN6bndjNMGVucwwE9cu2Hh8DfJ6S/xhKM4JN8I2tv6YLT eMMTP5uW30PKR7a6en0x5N9c8Y8GqOomdo5E27pWA0Q2MUocs9YG/Gf6g45ynpEOFXfb NiSePZS9oxviaukO/jaLP81r1LwtS4/Zf0GIo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=Ad3cC1JGp5BGLD1WPrDZPsWD4r3WRnX+VtkOML8jgyPQ85s6VL/IuWef3a0Y9H+CJe 9T6jWodE/vEzYLBGgjQNwn9/4dRpfk4uGfsPlyf1Y0c2pkRE//DPFZy8lPPAZRzqXq5k UvcuUSHqJt2Py9gHSHeZwy2k2ii4attDvkkNY= Received: by 10.142.151.42 with SMTP id y42mr195274wfd.46.1291491484202; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 11:38:04 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.249.41 with SMTP id w41ls16457277wfh.1.p; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 11:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.148.12 with SMTP id v12mr2228670wfd.43.1291491483164; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 11:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.148.12 with SMTP id v12mr2228669wfd.43.1291491483134; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 11:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y8si3723156wfj.1.2010.12.04.11.38.02; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 11:38:02 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Inhw+Jdt7z1D3BivGPfn2aw54OvUEJw5lAn/booRZkE= c=1 sm=0 a=3Vd6Gq4fltIA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=MXXVh58s7VCk34Oe8hsA:9 a=-Y6IgifCiTAN4sngka2YBTh1wqoA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:43805] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E1/AA-13137-9989AFC4; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 19:38:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A9017A31 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 14:20:18 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] na'e vs no'e/to'e Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 14:20:11 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201012041420.15503.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 04 December 2010 11:15:59 tijlan wrote: > How significant is "na'e" in relation to "no'e" and "to'e"? > > > CASE 1 -- when both the scalar extremities and the midpoint are > semantically clear: > > ti no'e blabi > This is neither white nor black. > > ti na'e blabi > This is other than white. lo to'e blabi cu xekri .i lo no'e blabi cu grusi .i lo na'e blabi cu xunre = ja=20 crino ja blanu jaco'e > CASE 2 -- when the scalar extremities but not the midpoint are semantical= ly > clear: > > ti no'e kalri > This is neither open nor closed. > > ti na'e kalri > This is other than open. "no'e kalri" is "ajar", but "na'e kalri" could mean ajar or closed. A door'= s=20 positions all lie on a scale from open to closed. Is there something else= =20 which can be kalri ja ganlo but also has other positions? > CASE 3 -- when neither the scalar extremities nor the midpoint are > semantically clear: > > ti no'e plise > This is neither an apple nor a tol-apple. > > ti na'e plise > This is other than an apple. lo krataigo .e lo perli .e lo fagjesyspa cu no'e plise. I also use "no'e"= =20 with "smani"; lo norsmani is a strepsirrhine. "tolplise" and "tolsmani" mak= e=20 no sense to me. Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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