Or folks on the verge.

From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 = 1:47:22 PM
Subject: Re:= [lojban] na'e vs no'e/to'e

Maybe door isn't a good example of what he was looking for with case 2.

How about.... man, real world booleans are hard to come by.=

le prenu cu morsi gi'a to'e morsi

In this case, I would expect {to'e morsi} to be eq= uivalent to {na'e morsi} since if a person is not morsi, then they mus= t be alive. So to be "not morsi" (regardless of whether it's just the= usual 'not' or if it's the 'polar opposite not') is to be alive.

I guess in this case it would be kind of absurd to spea= k of {no'e morsi}. I guess you could reserve that for talking about z= ombies and such. .u'i

On Sat, Dec 4= , 2010 at 2:20 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

On Saturday 04 December 2010 11:15:59 tijlan wrote:
> How significant is "na'e" in relation to "no'e" and "to'e"?
>
>
> CASE 1 -- when both the scalar extremities and the midpoint are
> semantically clear:
>
> ti no'e blabi
> This is neither white nor black.
>
> ti na'e blabi
> This is other than white.

lo to'e blabi cu xekri .i lo no'e blabi cu grusi .i lo na'e blabi cu = xunre ja
crino ja blanu jaco'e

> CASE 2 -- when the scalar extremities but not the midpoint are semanti= cally
> clear:
>
> ti no'e kalri
> This is neither open nor closed.
>
> ti na'e kalri
> This is other than open.

"no'e kalri" is "ajar", but "na'e kalri" could mean ajar or closed. A= door's
positions all lie on a scale from open to closed. Is there something else which can be kalri ja ganlo but also has other positions?

> CASE 3 -- when neither the scalar extremities nor the midpoint are
> semantically clear:
>
> ti no'e plise
> This is neither an apple nor a tol-apple.
>
> ti na'e plise
> This is other than an apple.

lo krataigo .e lo perli .e lo fagjesyspa cu no'e plise. I also use "n= o'e"
with "smani"; lo norsmani is a strepsirrhine. "tolplise" and "tolsmani" mak= e
no sense to me.

Pierre
--
La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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