From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRC4m9nnBBoEAxspqA@googlegroups.com Wed Dec 01 05:29:41 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PNmkc-0006MM-4I; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:29:41 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf5845832yxn.16 for ; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:29:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=24klBNIvDnD4fTZZoIYLOR4XAAUDomf1YFK7rvYc4e4=; b=IzoEfhAjSHNELjcYIsSfEGDhiW1c8vLZ9/dJ8u5h0YE67+7g59Vq6lYkWVvsmSGEMK BU1kCLn7fK2Uy2obRgOF7rdQtKtD4b5gYibelML9q0WTTTMkXQdMbJD/T47K9/PJPHYq qgGVKFHCLZVKk3MnRDFMli7nSLoGulXWBeNWw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=NmlmlLj4Szq5NBKU7tqWsppNpalU0wjd2d+N/Fi9Owc5TRQ0knUrVvFSy33/HYxr7Z QJNdY8UFVTeiv9vIK0JHx77plcp4sPvPd40HLGI/kmRaGiDs1Gb3NBrfNfpFkQ0UelSE 9Vsu2uQVr8wIk0IzzOnHudI0UEV/3dfDSetDU= Received: by 10.151.136.2 with SMTP id o2mr624181ybn.75.1291210168137; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:29:28 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.99.19 with SMTP id w19ls1318177ybb.0.p; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:29:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.178.11 with SMTP id a11mr2268121ybf.20.1291210167269; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:29:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.178.11 with SMTP id a11mr2268120ybf.20.1291210167239; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:29:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.118]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id p19si1254529ybk.10.2010.12.01.05.29.26; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:29:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.118 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.118; Received: (qmail 57909 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2010 13:29:25 -0000 Message-ID: <402488.56609.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6Gur_0EVM1kvNRcsOKZNWSnWsmg4iOVlOa4Q4dfVJAsfsp5 aQUjGwG6ppOEBXuQRo7gaCpzKyKXMcWiqL1PeCxF2VArkDHsXrbJUP3EYMZa JnNH5hCF5ZAm5gQhInKMcR0Os.QiDI4iKQcwl0zyonVNU.o8bjOssA00x.TU QW5L1gLvS4TXN2xbT9nWTvWDbEj1J2jp2u5zB5xFOMuuLMg4cQlXSbBizVrB NKVZwLNLKdUOzAmrnNHNTxVIe_81cnZPWdtrU.X_JzTiBttk7ov7OknFyrYY bbzmqbYlc1Yae7HRnKjrLfOs89zEB5JjccXMGZwxafq9nNjsIuKJADWZ0EI1 3_4UUwDSgzgCIBQDB26BTt9Rk2anZCP_cpcZ4rZis.Mut3fA6lW7cS1uN Received: from [99.92.110.13] by web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:29:25 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <547f2fd5-c8a4-4dec-acee-97412386bf83@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 05:29:25 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Question about apparent inconsistency with "nixli". To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.118 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Claiming to be an auxlang gets a language involved in a lot of messy politics and restricts the range of people who will investigate it, Lojban (and usually Loglan before it) has always stayed away from that claim. But what we have said from time to time is that. if Logjam lives up to its promise in other areas, we would not be surprised if it were adopted by people around the world and formed a network of contacts across language barriers. This would be a nice side effect, but it is not a goal, and nothing (barring some slips here and there from overenthusiastic supporters) in Logjam's history has been based on achieving auxlang status. ----- Original Message ---- From: Pan Mistwood To: lojban Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 4:46:26 AM Subject: [lojban] Re: Question about apparent inconsistency with "nixli". > It isn't, but thanks for playing. > That has NEVER been one of our goals. > Conlang != auxlang I apologise for the misunderstanding. Several sources mention the potential future application of Lojban as an international auxiliary language. Wikipedia's page on Lojban indicates one goal recognised by the community (despite not being the initial goal behind creation of the language) being its use as an auxlang. The lojban.org wiki page describing "The Complete Lojban Language" mentions a community forming with this goal in mind. And Pierre Janton in 1993 classified logical languages (which would include Loglan and Lojban, I presume) as a kind of auxlang. So I understand that Lojban was not initially aimed to be an auxlang, but "never one of our goals" is kind of isolating to just one group's goals since there undeniably are those in the community who have the goal of using it as an auxlang. Also, "conlang != auxlang" is irrelevant. An auxlang can be a conlang. I wasn't implying that Lojban was not a conlang. > Just wait two months. If THAT is your biggest complaint by then, you > should consider yourself very very lucky. 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