From lojban+bncCJKRpP31BRDP4_jnBBoEnnNF6g@googlegroups.com Tue Dec 07 05:08:49 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PPxHe-0002AG-0K; Tue, 07 Dec 2010 05:08:48 -0800 Received: by gwj17 with SMTP id 17sf8126644gwj.16 for ; Tue, 07 Dec 2010 05:08:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received :mime-version:received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DTA5e7LAJQ3u1qFDjLfOWKbAcDdnth/3QEjIcdTtZj0=; b=havP0qPRjTa4WbwGXR12xBC9WJZSY7v6faBrWhnNKAoUL+2FCRLZbMs0VJFhcb70Mc tJhB6oegpGqLOKobGt9n6sAdQ5Do7Fl9nziI2Tzy4dZH39vkpa/7aO1h/yODQ4jqbRgp GkdRtEpVuXKvmCZl1B5M4tZ2MMmXX1oKRryuI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CXqZt6f/hgV3wh99bxBzt57Bw4wm2XnIRDpGmvQOXVVNvbDAoCg0wzsmYXneqJ1d2g ENWntGM+0UtjqK7uTphMgAoO6O/y3+2PpPlj7LDdvXN5vgg+jPpt1r4XhsywmAwQ1I1U hczTVA8wO5qcH4hA8J3Rn7/u3O5z5693o/jWo= Received: by 10.150.72.10 with SMTP id u10mr90394yba.39.1291727311131; Tue, 07 Dec 2010 05:08:31 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.99.19 with SMTP id w19ls4646433ybb.0.p; Tue, 07 Dec 2010 05:08:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.50.14 with SMTP id x14mr203241ybx.17.1291727310466; Tue, 07 Dec 2010 05:08:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.248.35 with SMTP id v35mr349971wfh.34.1291725877241; Tue, 07 Dec 2010 04:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by z26g2000prf.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Tue, 7 Dec 2010 04:44:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 04:44:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 68.142.33.52 References: <5f573729-3472-4289-ac7b-ea199a91e651@i25g2000prd.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.12 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/9.0.587.0 Safari/534.12,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: na'e vs no'e/to'e From: Zifre To: lojban X-Original-Sender: kmicklas@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Lindar's interpretation. Also, I thought I'd point out something interesting. IIRC, the "sex" in "Middlesex" comes from "Saxon" (the group that settled in England). "Middlesex" refers to where it is located. So "Sussex", "Essex", and "Wessex" mean South/East/West Saxons. Also, I think that the "Eng" in "England" comes from "Angle", the other group that settled in England. Thus, we have the word "Anglo-Saxon". mu'o mi'e zif On 7 dic, 00:30, Luke Bergen wrote: > based on the definitions, I agree, lindar. > > One of the questions though was "what does no'e broda" look like when the > "scaleness" of "broda" is really a scale of two states. > > It's kind of like when I drive by the town of middlesex. =A0It always giv= es me > pause. =A0Just how would one define a "middle gender"? =A0What does it me= an to > be {no'e} on a scale that only has two states (presumably they are opposi= te > states). > > And on these two state scales, {na'e} and {to'e} have the same meaning (w= ith > perhaps subtle nuanced differences). =A0Leaving aside transgender issues; > =A0polar opposite of female =3D other than female :: to'e fetsi =3D na'e = fetsi. > =A0So what is {no'e fetsi}? > > Like I said earlier, truely two-state scales are extremely hard to find i= n > the real world. =A0One can always find ways in which a two-state system c= an > have fuzzy middle-grounds. =A0i.e. zombies, ajar doors, hermaphrodites, > standby mode, sleep-walking, etc... so it might be somewhat of a moot > question in real world applications. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Lindar wrote: > > I would like to submit the following: > > > My interpretation is this: > > > je'a blabi - white > > no'e blabi - grey > > to'e blabi - black > > > na'e blabi - any colour other than white > > > It implies a scale *or set*. > > > If that's not exactly how it's used, that's how I use it, and that's > > how it should be used. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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