From lojban+bncCJXJ1o3JGhC9wNnnBBoEi9e9RQ@googlegroups.com Wed Dec 01 07:03:09 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PNoCy-0005Xh-3H; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 07:03:09 -0800 Received: by pvh1 with SMTP id 1sf2581738pvh.16 for ; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 07:02:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Pg9HQ6yoIHZDe5QiPfHvuREoIp8/D/ZB9tPy5rLhhC8=; b=bWknT9tPyeU060nt7ic/Q2Z6vecGq9hfZwExNO8gmj57bKLsV3flpkklbdAjJbI+ks YkahX2jAN+TZ+VWbBxGpp3HnGXaTDggCqPjJzASHj6Xu7SlKO9st41Kq1qQaZs6lA6sI sdw+msUZRoP3k+CZyuKYUygwWdST4ILqjbPzU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=6A3jmu2dRoNHHjf9iyVT+T/A4qzYNghoI+0EETH9UWW4Zt9BzN0YVMHUV5/9YlSu4n 8mVK7gwH7j2w4d3WHiy1zZRpvv1ecgCAZi3ziCyONWRkbyIJxsz3RiY6ZtWfyNyGRZFg r3OjqBnJQDru94iDREO7tgRTxUTPIKRKAGxhQ= Received: by 10.143.153.15 with SMTP id f15mr364879wfo.1.1291214909817; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 06:48:29 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.2.41 with SMTP id 41ls11747394wfb.0.p; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 06:48:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.196.9 with SMTP id t9mr369421wff.32.1291214825125; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 06:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by c17g2000prm.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 06:47:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 06:47:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <402488.56609.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-IP: 76.174.199.98 References: <547f2fd5-c8a4-4dec-acee-97412386bf83@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <402488.56609.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu/10.10 Chromium/9.0.595.0 Chrome/9.0.595.0 Safari/534.13,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <3fb640ae-a761-40ca-926c-ddc4f2625550@c17g2000prm.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Question about apparent inconsistency with "nixli". From: Pan Mistwood To: lojban X-Original-Sender: panmistwood@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All right. Thank you for explaining it. I now understand that point of view. On Dec 1, 5:29=A0am, John E Clifford wrote: > Claiming to be an auxlang gets a language involved in a lot of messy poli= tics > and restricts the range of people who will investigate it, =A0Lojban (and= usually > Loglan before it) has always stayed away from that claim. =A0But what we = have said > from time to time is that. if Logjam lives up to its promise in other are= as, we > would not be surprised if it were adopted by people around the world and = formed > a network of contacts across language barriers. =A0This would be a nice s= ide > effect, but it is not a goal, and nothing (barring some slips here and th= ere > from overenthusiastic supporters) in Logjam's history has been based on > achieving auxlang status. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Pan Mistwood > To: lojban > Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 4:46:26 AM > Subject: [lojban] Re: Question about apparent inconsistency with "nixli". > > > It isn't, but thanks for playing. > > That has NEVER been one of our goals. > > Conlang !=3D auxlang > > I apologise for the misunderstanding. Several sources mention the > potential future application of Lojban as an international auxiliary > language. Wikipedia's page on Lojban indicates one goal recognised by > the community (despite not being the initial goal behind creation of > the language) being its use as an auxlang. The lojban.org wiki page > describing "The Complete Lojban Language" mentions a community forming > with this goal in mind. And Pierre Janton in 1993 classified logical > languages (which would include Loglan and Lojban, I presume) as a kind > of auxlang. So I understand that Lojban was not initially aimed to be > an auxlang, but "never one of our goals" is kind of isolating to just > one group's goals since there undeniably are those in the community > who have the goal of using it as an auxlang. > > Also, "conlang !=3D auxlang" is irrelevant. An auxlang can be a conlang. > I wasn't implying that Lojban was not a conlang. > > > Just wait two months. If THAT is your biggest complaint by then, you > > should consider yourself very very lucky. > > OK, thank you for your feedback. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/lojba= n?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.