From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARDY3_7oBBoEqSBm3A@googlegroups.com Sat Jan 01 14:51:20 2011 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PZAI8-0007YP-03; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:51:20 -0800 Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19sf5152078pxi.16 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:51:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+vGpgoUstpafW2RGsKecwSyQg+t7rebDZwHDgempoLM=; b=uBpJbsfTHAmZZd/7aHWwRhg4P0pBrVWtlih8qas1OCepU0QG6m6agGcwqmGhmodUFi ML78rZSytq4rVI61JhG2xO0wwUkPUjHny5PBGeIIW3gEYOxYi0pkt5cXyDMsBha0FHOi VIzn43htI0/d1rMUe5mAR724Z4OPe9GbR7bOE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=QjRdZcIz4VPYF0cZBNKxn1ULbrFesbV5az6zZO5qdqic8mTPJJJI5I0PeQwya50fBA WwV88+IBdIo+po9S4PRmOGn7d8gY7mcOk0yPBDumAFADEUID/QGx+U/+4v9Jp/IV77qy 5ri6fDDLEokoWpOW6dX8YXZEizs80n8BZXsWg= Received: by 10.142.152.27 with SMTP id z27mr879741wfd.18.1293922264618; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:51:04 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.121.31 with SMTP id t31ls19473959wfc.3.p; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.43.12 with SMTP id q12mr14198153wfq.25.1293922263018; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.43.12 with SMTP id q12mr14198152wfq.25.1293922262981; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:51:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pw0-f47.google.com (mail-pw0-f47.google.com [209.85.160.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m3si19894624wfl.5.2011.01.01.14.51.01; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:51:01 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.47; Received: by pwi8 with SMTP id 8so1659697pwi.6 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:51:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.14.11 with SMTP id 11mr8077502wfn.373.1293922259880; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:50:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.103.17 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 14:50:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201012301717.31348.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 17:50:59 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] GIhA question From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd173caaacd260498d0c01a --000e0cd173caaacd260498d0c01a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't think the exact semantics of zo'e filling are defined in all cases. That is, I don't think the language defines {mi tavla gi'e citka vau} as {mi tavla gi'e citka vau vau} or as {mi tavla gi'e citka vau zo'e vau}, but rather whichever one fits the context (in this case, almost certainly the former). mu'o mi'e .latros. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Cyril Slobin wrote: > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > > > Also, if you DID want to have same unspecified-but-obvious object > > that you both talked to and ate, you could say "mi tavla gi'e citka > > vau zo'e" > > --gejyspa > > Hmm, THAT became interesting. What about {mi tavla gi'e citka vau}? > Does this imply some object that is both talked to and eaten, or not? > I don't know, really. > > -- > http://slobin.pp.ru/ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, > `it means just what I choose it to mean' > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --000e0cd173caaacd260498d0c01a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think the exact semantics of zo'e filling are defined in al= l cases. That is, I don't think the language defines {mi tavla gi'e= citka vau} as {mi tavla gi'e citka vau vau} or as {mi tavla gi'e c= itka vau zo'e vau}, but rather whichever one fits the context (in this = case, almost certainly the former).

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Sat, Ja= n 1, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Cyril Slobin <cyril@slobin.pp.ru> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com> = wrote:

> =A0Also, if you DID want to have same unspecified-but-obvious object > that you both talked to and ate, you could say "mi tavla gi'e= citka
> vau zo'e"
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

Hmm, THAT became interesting. What about {mi tavla gi'e citka vau= }?
Does this imply some object that is both talked to and eaten, or not?
I don't know, really.

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<cyril@slobin.pp.ru> `it me= ans just what I choose it to mean'

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