From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCxmJXpBBoEKn4WVw@googlegroups.com Wed Jan 05 20:59:44 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pahwp-0001DY-UU; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:59:44 -0800 Received: by qwd6 with SMTP id 6sf53982572qwd.16 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:59:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yhqO5sUXY0cUUUWFJW7ydzwx1rX2n48dJrRZ0DFHOAk=; b=H2A6RiIWZlD96rK7PiusBO2T7wDncVmEMST38SsaCYtrvFhtvEZ/KwiAR1LI8ENwqr rJ60Jp0qgUZfa2CVEsBzaVrYdcq0IwTaAoOzpykBxyP1nQ3+wZkM23Lu/UZjbzIC+hnv IAD1RktCd5fsOCiBfzj+wCTlKhEKVzA9KeNZg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tBjBaM7qqkvQLHCEymZJYiJeGKhIhd4c0It95UhnugLFyK3Uf0hb+LWixwomuOgIc0 Rl4wrem6wL4SrGM+zkpNsFjqKWhS3PfDDRkokBycnZh+RlkaNL9MEJmzUCjIKCxw6yZo ZANuKnRs2Z4qn/gbpZpSmLOEWaqk1vaX23cFs= Received: by 10.229.239.195 with SMTP id kx3mr1160959qcb.13.1294289969076; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:59:29 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.207.201 with SMTP id fz9ls2463923qab.3.p; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.36.202 with SMTP id u10mr1394745qad.7.1294289968563; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.36.202 with SMTP id u10mr1394744qad.7.1294289968528; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f178.google.com (mail-qy0-f178.google.com [209.85.216.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ey28si4436994qcb.15.2011.01.05.20.59.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:59:27 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.178; Received: by qyk33 with SMTP id 33so16079644qyk.9 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:59:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.86.149 with SMTP id s21mr20979204qcl.23.1294289967393; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:59:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.204 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:59:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <20110105165231.GK17534@digitalkingdom.org> <20110105220532.GN17534@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 23:59:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! 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(was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language) From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Ivo Doko wrote: > On 6 January 2011 03:17, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >> Waiter: Do you want cream or sugar in your coffee? >> >> Lojbanist: Yes. > > Proper response is "I do." :D Unless you drink your coffee with neither..= . > > Also, that would depend on the waiter's emphasis of the sentence: > > > "Do you want CREAM or SUGAR in your coffee?" > > means: > > "Is this true: (You want cream in your coffee. =E2=8A=95 You want sugar i= n your > coffee.)?" > > > "Do you WANT cream or sugar in your coffee?" > > means: > > "Is this true: (You want cream in your coffee. =E2=88=A8 You want sugar i= n your > coffee.)?" > > > > > ("=E2=8A=95" is XOR, "=E2=88=A8" is OR.) > > > > So presuming the waiter emphasised "cream" and "sugar", not "want", "yes"= or > "I do" are not proper responses. Personally, I neither want (cream) nor (sugar in my coffee). Cause cream is kinda silly all by itself, and I don't drink coffee, so putting sugar in something that I wouldn't drink anyway is also kind of silly. --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.