From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCMmoDpBBoEhv59sA@googlegroups.com Sat Jan 01 21:28:58 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PZGUw-0003iZ-Kj; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:28:58 -0800 Received: by qwd6 with SMTP id 6sf39236039qwd.16 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:28:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3wowZuZ6ztrbiPPC6oyQpJQMNeSlvdBu/tQGYdxQKIg=; b=12Y5/9d2nK7+LjVmjWbva3UIttmqYVU1FftdI0XK5Nb+DqmU1fxWlKT2jREcBINJZx iGH3GfpsYQAxpAskJmnKa3duhPzlGanJgVceRC/a7O8caPOObRU3pFeBhZuzPXAHyEX5 MfeIeK07/oEp2ta1+0lIzHZ7T5YWfCODz3nqU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=22sLnTNl0GC5EBCxTksIW0+/EZoz5AnifsAUNVI2uSoWKtWOFq7c1dIWeL15D78XDi KDByDI4UwFpiQSW/QE68uuhFYqyvcnh874W0q+IjtLm+FRa+udGxx5+76ElYo058XNzH UUa8i5FsavgxofPsZPguG+xboTD3rjxuaJXfw= Received: by 10.229.219.81 with SMTP id ht17mr1497714qcb.15.1293946124585; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:28:44 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.195.134 with SMTP id ec6ls5383071qcb.2.p; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:28:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.30.1 with SMTP id s1mr2018861qcc.21.1293946123956; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.30.1 with SMTP id s1mr2018860qcc.21.1293946123879; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f180.google.com (mail-qy0-f180.google.com [209.85.216.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7si3412898qcu.14.2011.01.01.21.28.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.180; Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so13215983qyk.11 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:28:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.95.81 with SMTP id c17mr16461062qcn.99.1293946122770; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.204 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 21:28:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201012301717.31348.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 00:28:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] GIhA question From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Cyril Slobin wrote: > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > >> =A0Also, if you DID want to have same unspecified-but-obvious object >> that you both talked to and ate, you could say "mi tavla gi'e citka >> vau zo'e" >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa > > Hmm, THAT became interesting. What about {mi tavla gi'e citka vau}? > Does this imply some object that is both talked to and eaten, or not? > I don't know, really. > I'd have to say that in the absence of an EXPLICIT "zo'e", they are not inserted in the bridi tail. And (as my example), if an explicit zo'e is located in the bridi tail, it would have to be inserted in the first available space (that is to say, the first place not explicitly filled by something). It would seem to be the most natural method of understanding these constructions. --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.