From lojban+bncCN673cmqFBDDo5fpBBoE3wMJMg@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 06 06:29:43 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PaqqM-0006uH-7g; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 06:29:42 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf15459372yxn.16 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 06:29:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5BtQ7AxtUqtodxE8kW/V2uhF9Jhe5XAhaY7IoglqIEU=; b=oFZkFyz0MQGhbhguGoU8iqs9mE0qUYnLfMqK3y4SUePBEPqSlGZaXY4FTV1DyOEjut XJnNo48z2OnPgzstEY8fRNPAJ5kVRGC6TuPrrFMOxVNOS4jJLvWHuPJMQNyull+ENZUw ms9Y6u5TgsdLa8HPFK/x9NG28BuoXQF3H+GMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=A1XRPN68vT8+ggjsS+m222hzxFQjp1moswOXbMTpLbZ33G5qVy4VYjtIi2tzr24H6f tSLW03tHCwh+PJlL+TlF6yuztXK2YTrexzfxJ4PBZFNdXg9fjOf+EQXuGh9bKLQ3vIA4 tbbSFfIDHjopV5iKfZ8Ni3fR/mGo1/gOLHnxo= Received: by 10.100.46.10 with SMTP id t10mr198944ant.78.1294324163818; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 06:29:23 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.56.38 with SMTP id e38ls3352808ana.3.p; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 06:29:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.43.11 with SMTP id q11mr4045079anq.23.1294324163379; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 06:29:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.43.11 with SMTP id q11mr4045077anq.23.1294324163355; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 06:29:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a26si10180921ana.5.2011.01.06.06.29.23; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 06:29:23 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.7 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.7; Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.03.00 201-2260-125-20100507) with ESMTP id <20110106142923.CCUJ8831.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 09:29:23 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([70.179.118.163]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id sEVN1f00L3Xcbvq02EVNhs; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 09:29:22 -0500 X-VR-Score: -130.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=i3UvcCEZQLabEmnD6gDaX0mba1mClu3kqrscycMm7eQ= c=1 sm=1 a=hQ6Vh0px9vgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:17 a=haXWK3EsEXp0zJbnhkcA:9 a=iHxhkz7ofTqaMAavs6sHBALIKdIA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4D25D1CB.3040506@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 09:29:31 -0500 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language) References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <20110105165231.GK17534@digitalkingdom.org> <20110105220532.GN17534@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.7 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ivo Doko wrote: > You have misquoted me. My words were, as you quoted them correctly the > first time: > > "[Esperanto is] a fully defined, complete and functioning language, which > lojban is very far from being at the moment." Esperanto is NOT fully defined. It's completeness is arbitrary. It is a functioning language. Lojban is NOT fully defined, but is more so than Esperanto. It's completeness is arbitrary, but its vocabulary is less completely defined than Esperanto. It is a functioning language. > So what I *have* said about lojban, is that it's "far from being a fully > defined, complete and functioning language", not just that it's "far > from functioning". But it is functioning. The problem is there is a smaller cadre of people sufficiently skilled in Lojban who can use it fully functioning, and most of the people who post on the lists are NOT those. By contrast, Esperanto discussions are dominated by those who ARE highly skilled. That is a teaching problem that takes time, and a limitation of the community until then. It is not a language problem. And moreover it is a language problem that is self-remedying. lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.