From lojban+bncCN673cmqFBCys5fpBBoExvMTJg@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 06 07:03:34 2011 Received: from mail-yi0-f61.google.com ([209.85.218.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ParNB-00060R-TT; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 07:03:33 -0800 Received: by yia27 with SMTP id 27sf10189016yia.16 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 07:03:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=g9CJuB1nqDqnAAzvEzSrshS83fLyc5H2obQeu+Y4QbY=; b=1P0ilH4u4c9XIEilcHa/OPNSBFqptq8PraJR3XliihYWlexp/1EQlGKhpMwgurknCR glNfuTF1toYgWK41erf9S8AmJLsJDPojNWO6Xa2GaQBUd4hp8Lw7s8v6iZMhwRoNIzXl xy5W3whWeuYeDwTEgc1pRnn82pbAREbhPsknU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=wPjN1HRnD8AUB2KFxSN+/NyVbyjHszkUGtaDM3WWFq1iHEGmViZ7dwaEpSWSw6L7Qz qewgFhEWTmri6Pw1bHOrVrVH8kO0W9cWxtS/WELup35PO7IwhKSejWc8c3hiY8nitS0h yn6md+gYbalorwszHuBtvfeofxRoJPPjB02jo= Received: by 10.150.168.5 with SMTP id q5mr999876ybe.28.1294326194417; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 07:03:14 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.201.10 with SMTP id y10ls9366574ybf.6.p; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 07:03:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.105.233 with SMTP id k69mr2895609yhg.0.1294326193793; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 07:03:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.105.233 with SMTP id k69mr2895608yhg.0.1294326193773; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 07:03:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a52si832630yhd.1.2011.01.06.07.03.13; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 07:03:13 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.48; Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.03.00 201-2260-125-20100507) with ESMTP id <20110106150312.ZVHW7953.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:03:12 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([70.179.118.163]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id sF3C1f00U3Xcbvq02F3CyQ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:03:13 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=i3UvcCEZQLabEmnD6gDaX0mba1mClu3kqrscycMm7eQ= c=1 sm=1 a=hQ6Vh0px9vgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:17 a=GdFRPrkdkIQ6oOqRzfcA:9 a=9R6HrQQdGvnVN17tZbe4OIJVud0A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4D25D9BA.1020203@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:03:22 -0500 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language) References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <20110105165231.GK17534@digitalkingdom.org> <20110105220532.GN17534@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ivo Doko wrote: > If A = "lojban is fully defined." then "lojban is not A" means "lojban > is not "lojban is fully defined."." Decide what A, B and C mean. > > In any case, this is what I meant: > "It is not true that lojban is fully defined and that lojban is complete > and that lojban is a functioning language." > > That *must* be equivalent to: > "lojban is not fully defined, or lojban is not complete, or lojban is > not a functioning language." That still ignores the difference between contradictory negation and contrary negation, a difference that English pretty much cannot distinguish except with a lot of context and convention, while the distinction is fundamental in Lojban. lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.