From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDwn4DpBBoEUWyTUA@googlegroups.com Sat Jan 01 21:41:19 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PZGgs-0003zA-4r; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:41:19 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf39358211qyk.16 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:41:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=KtPUoUu8yqWhNW9VEgZp49di/2DlVcRIAa2Ps7GdHyQ=; b=BQBfMPKAEmSMtCjMckZ94PjIFxQRQc1dmllAHbIHF45NqledalLsHkGWENdhYcoGHT A7x7q2cx3lldlEPxhDthi/WteHXTXf9AifXZGxca9ZPvxPsuxT3HDcguW4/ue2TzQerV mkud3bkwmfJFdDj7YDd0AnsG9bVDg3cVhwcwY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=2kXjS1gW4oaAgCleEUxeXQcOhdL0eyMNW4Uv1cDKNwr79JRIVwm7X2z1IfdOgKFlr/ 3IckcSdgTwNC3c8FN63iXaUFOjnqWKq7qAKeP86ULLwk1L/TeJF67H210Iragi9gZMJy eAvsaGiJh0COqpHqRk4lv9n7qYUSPIfG4dL04= Received: by 10.229.20.81 with SMTP id e17mr2373271qcb.18.1293946864444; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:41:04 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.197.8 with SMTP id ei8ls2869885qcb.1.p; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.136.199 with SMTP id s7mr1996374qct.22.1293946863799; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.136.199 with SMTP id s7mr1996373qct.22.1293946863742; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l11si3515759qcg.8.2011.01.01.21.41.02; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=uESSSoDEku2quKX/oFXS2Smn5+55LTFcWFr5T5T8nFs= c=1 sm=0 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=LVx-qtxGHqZfFhk-3TsA:9 a=nfcA3nGjNke4fYrw64N17xr8vFAA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:49000] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 93/54-07087-EEF002D4; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 05:41:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9265121A5 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 00:41:01 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] GIhA question Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 00:40:59 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201101020041.00013.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 02 January 2011 00:28:42 Michael Turniansky wrote: > I'd have to say that in the absence of an EXPLICIT "zo'e", they are > not inserted in the bridi tail. And (as my example), if an explicit > zo'e is located in the bridi tail, it would have to be inserted in the > first available space (that is to say, the first place not explicitly > filled by something). It would seem to be the most natural method of > understanding these constructions. I don't think that an explicit "zo'e" in this construction would do anything different from leaving it out. The only places I know of where an explicit "zo'e" means anything different from omission is in a subordinate or relative clause, where "ce'u" or "ke'a" would be assumed to fill an omitted place and "zo'e" indicates that the place is in fact empty. Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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