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(was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 19:14:47 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.37-rc8; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <4D25F32F.8000209@gmail.com> <20110106171347.GY17534@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20110106171347.GY17534@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4461104.qip9bJsShR"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201101061914.51534.jezuch@interia.pl> X-Interia-Antivirus: OK X-EMID: 42048acc X-Original-Sender: jezuch@interia.pl X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.206 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jezuch@interia.pl Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , --nextPart4461104.qip9bJsShR Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia czwartek, 6 stycznia 2011 o 18:13:47 Robin Lee Powell napisa=B3(a): > > What a real grammar would do is define a set of correspondences > > between sentence forms and sentence meanings. >=20 > I don't know what that is, but it's not a formal grammar. Ask > google if you don't believe me. :) >=20 > I have no idea how you could formalize such a thing (and I'm not > terribly sure I care, to be honest). =46ormal semantics? I'm pretty much sure such a thing exists, but I have no= idea how would one define one... =2D-=20 Ecce Jezuch "But I want to, I want to, oh I want to but my hands were always tied up And I wish I had myself a dime for every time I cursed your Goddamn name" =2D P. Keenan --nextPart4461104.qip9bJsShR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk0mBpgACgkQy0fq9RM+TxgJPQCeJXQ4Y3thEq7gCQ5DejL9Px7v cbgAoMallgXZ/wDIa1pW+gY9SaWSJhTh =fOjy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4461104.qip9bJsShR--