From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhD4rZjpBBoERhgfYg@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 06 11:24:59 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PavS8-0008Jj-A7; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:24:58 -0800 Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1sf55576613qyk.16 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:24:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=3HpBJqS+dioiLGPt59/nMOyF7itcyVrND8LoDudm1LM=; b=H0q0Bay7NCBv7HtJW+vVUCVUZuPGuj0w+yR1SMmguZre87jRn8Sya/HX4759cumEt7 /zlXNKGm+1efk+MfKIMVT/dJ5Ik1E3RBMtU9wABsgDIlgt1s2SGyi0dnl5OnZH7LwlTg i8a3fepZJ36ZoBlwlrcldLXFxkC5Hmamcem70= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=kvvZaPZotrG4gklJh7lnQYUkSv2Pf6w+U5SPkLJb2XFVIig3LlhThW74Gb7BpZqDHm Sa9Y5VVcEM8CZWnJP7EDXmqIcTuhAgsKS96K7OX3DEisRsb22hB/HU1j8QZOAhnXDVex tVjJKeIHN2OqY3mCGnWQX0HnPuapjibDCu3Xg= Received: by 10.229.126.131 with SMTP id c3mr3428820qcs.4.1294341880751; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:24:40 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.195.134 with SMTP id ec6ls6757474qcb.2.p; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.32.17 with SMTP id a17mr2623613qcd.9.1294341879200; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.32.17 with SMTP id a17mr2623611qcd.9.1294341878495; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:24:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qw0-f45.google.com (mail-qw0-f45.google.com [209.85.216.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t28si4598493qcs.4.2011.01.06.11.24.37; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:24:37 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.45; Received: by mail-qw0-f45.google.com with SMTP id 4so17326221qwk.18 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:24:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.95.200 with SMTP id e8mr21324934qcn.213.1294341877315; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:24:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.213.204 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 11:24:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <333436a0-9719-42c8-93ca-de86cc25b5af@d7g2000vbv.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:24:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: FA + (JA or JOI) + FA_or_BAI_or-other-modal-place-introducers From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:50 AM, spermwhale.warrior wrote: > If it sucks so, at least please tell me it, and please also tell me > why. > I really, don't like silence. > > What's wrong with this proposal ? > If think the regular place of a selbri aren't different from modal > places. > Theses are all places of a same bridi. Thus we should be able to mix, > put in a set, in a range, a "meanings circle"(how I call {mi'i}'s > effect), whatever is permitted between modal places by the tenses and > connectives system. > > co'o > > -- Well, I can't speak for everyone else, but I had started to write something, but then I decided I was confused about what you were asking because your use of English was very confusing. But I think what you are suggesting is that you would like a structure like "mi fijoibai do jmive zei lifri" to mean the same thing as "mi fi do bai do jmive ze lifri"? (Incidentally, even within FA itself, I always wondered why we couldn't do "mi tavla fi ja fo la lojban" ("we talk about and in lojban".) Not sure I'd be willing to mixing modals and FA, but on the other hand, why not?) If that's what you meant, then yeah, I always thought it would be useful, and it does have analogues in natlangs, as I've shown) --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.