From lojban+bncCNuStaWoDxCV15jpBBoErjSMVQ@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 06 12:52:54 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PawpE-0007FH-Bo; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:52:54 -0800 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf18342181wwb.16 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:52:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:message-id:date :from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4icSfUOh6No86dxH4KkUpOAR72Bj84XymZfRB+3cCRQ=; b=pDxgSnE6r4P0xnf5HDyf+LDSlG+CMgAluL9yUt3YHYw4byTtza8vyuysCj7DdZwGjY 81CkzvbuA9L6X7zVf5L2caq9gVNqjDFjB2gpLiXF2+WK/oEcxcvTbsdv1ivz+UhU/buS rqLHMXkbtz3dbsTiiuTHDRXBzUPVerFGZeCZM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=t2oud2QCPajx5xHWK/ytuu/PUfijBvGN2J5v1u8QvgH+FephqjHMYVysS6uHBSoYnB LHPOKPc5dYjaRLPc7Lh2tlet7NI6voFlrZkMa5pR+21BDyswG/j+I3J+9y6BFdYO/OTG b6i9rMs8zu6zlW5LP7dY8EJ4/o1gMtwrA2PJw= Received: by 10.216.173.84 with SMTP id u62mr230324wel.14.1294347157054; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:52:37 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.246.74 with SMTP id p52ls9697974wer.1.p; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.177.147 with SMTP id d19mr1504313wem.7.1294347156109; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.177.147 with SMTP id d19mr1504312wem.7.1294347156025; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ww0-f51.google.com (mail-ww0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m79si765782wej.15.2011.01.06.12.52.35; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:52:35 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.51; Received: by mail-ww0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 15so16554431wwe.8 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:52:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.138.82 with SMTP id z18mr10708653wbt.94.1294347154889; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:52:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (87-194-76-177.bethere.co.uk [87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 11sm17104546wbi.12.2011.01.06.12.52.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:52:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D262B90.8000701@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 20:52:32 +0000 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language) References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <20110105165231.GK17534@digitalkingdom.org> <4D25F32F.8000209@gmail.com> <20110106171347.GY17534@digitalkingdom.org> <4D260BE0.3020909@gmail.com> <948823.24460.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <948823.24460.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed John E Clifford, On 06/01/2011 18:52: > Well, the non-brivla stuff is, of course, also the non-predicate logic stuff, so > we are beyond semantics into pragmatics -- about which we have even less of an > idea than semantics. Some of the syntactically nonbrivla stuff is still predicate logic stuff. Indeed I think the vast majority of cmavo can be translated into predicate logic (or an extended version thereof). --And. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.