From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEJzWmekEGgSkZVL1@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 06 17:28:25 2011 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pb17s-0000C3-At; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:28:25 -0800 Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19sf6722130pxi.16 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:28:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=cPSdJXgOaD6y21VL0gYtycUd8qFBDcCVbNNim2/wKFg=; b=UtBTZvlA6MqP7aURx2BNDdyfNimGraOGF53+dktqy4tM1ypcx4nFHTDgSZhXh2okVv 2ZhIn71hp2kmgJTFplnzg4NW91qI4XkFYh+3ipr7rrDpW6iCO5xXxbX/1DqcvBzxsOA1 DJZfUlfoM8z0m+W/GwzZQ61WkSUds0wU29voA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=B67zk0mQ2NYa+o14QOKppMgV3akgkylOUuRlfTTgYz/b5/EHO4AJG0M86W4BtOXr1y vBXKMeJomyVfInMVzvZ7NcpvVq3knX0rKEi1409zFfc9prsim/8SSwGiwqlGeWmtW3hq AhtkawYTsvEjEHRopkCwyxwrwrCCQt5v815UQ= Received: by 10.142.248.35 with SMTP id v35mr108265wfh.69.1294363420947; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:23:40 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.249.41 with SMTP id w41ls29300775wfh.1.p; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.169.14 with SMTP id r14mr1235164wfe.51.1294363417380; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.169.14 with SMTP id r14mr1235163wfe.51.1294363417356; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f13si1615099wfo.0.2011.01.06.17.23.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pb13H-0002QV-KN for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:23:35 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:23:35 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language) Message-ID: <20110107012335.GM23787@digitalkingdom.org> References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <20110105165231.GK17534@digitalkingdom.org> <4D25F32F.8000209@gmail.com> <931644.77513.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4D261C7C.7050503@gmail.com> <753182.62185.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4D2639E1.3010109@gmail.com> <397576.74578.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <397576.74578.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 02:08:47PM -0800, John E Clifford wrote: > I think we are at cross purposes here. I say that the rules for > shifting from Lojban surface to pred log deep are mostly fairly > straightforward. I agree. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.