From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDB5pnpBBoEHFkgUg@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 06 17:58:41 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pb1b9-0000lx-Vk; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:58:41 -0800 Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19sf15823383gxk.16 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:58:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FGsQQ/WVyFicBXlpqGypcfuF5f9vAlnV0Wo/Fuppitg=; b=TclDFMBHY/ZQxv0g7VDtSHd59mc7+AqvtjG0clEIdqSyD1aD3JaE2RDxMnyLFBGNOM xz7cUTktz/g7NkZzWJtHPbJEf+wXNDte+0ie+xR5jVsQ6F5qVRmFfAPXz9mhFzf0BCQ+ 8xbUGCa2MkeY6d+H5w6yuL8Xkz/6wWjKIiDW4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=dGNwybabz5K9dGjfkaoxsr5Mt4U4D1MtcpSaoETyWSRDrSpWTZvesTSMln5V0liv6o jGrp2aEABKYu6nByD8FmMG3igy5q8jPqMBtoL3Coi+bp05qrCUWpWHAIT8hs5S2Wc742 R6KWZJoofvgxc7J2EXEws5A7dPWb4Kta7iDck= Received: by 10.91.218.18 with SMTP id v18mr189329agq.48.1294365505063; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:58:25 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls12317764ibk.3.p; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.17.2 with SMTP id q2mr3701705iba.14.1294365504411; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.17.2 with SMTP id q2mr3701704iba.14.1294365504353; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f170.google.com (mail-iw0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d9si5607356ibq.7.2011.01.06.17.58.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:58:23 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.170; Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so22838341iwn.15 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:58:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.206.1 with SMTP id fs1mr291464ibb.193.1294365503167; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:58:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.199.140 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:58:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110107015306.GQ23787@digitalkingdom.org> References: <673286.9022.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20110107015306.GQ23787@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:58:22 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language) From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba53b528069d0b049937f454 --90e6ba53b528069d0b049937f454 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 06:48:38PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > 2011/1/6 Jorge Llamb=EDas > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 10:06 PM, John E Clifford > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > This is one of those little problems that needs to be solved, > > > > so the the > > > answers: cream, sugar, both or neither are all correct. > > > > > > Hasn't this been solved for ages? The answer is that question-or > > > is neither ".a" nor ".onai". Question-or is "ji", and the four > > > helpful answers are ".enai", "na.e", ".e" and "na.enai". (There > > > are also plenty of true but less than helpful answers, of > > > course, but that's the case for any question.) > > > > > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > > > > > So, not {xu do djica lo nu lo kruji .a lo sakta cu nenri lo > > ckafi}, but {do djica lo nu lo kruji ji lo sakta cu nenri lo > > ckafi}? > > Correct. IIRC, this is, in fact, an example in the CLL. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > Probably, but I took it from an example of Geekdom, since the ways geeks would treat the English sentence is the exact way I suggested Lojbani's do, as in "cream OR sugar". I should probably thank .xorxes. for reminding me about {ji}, since at the time I translated the English I was not aware of it. (I really have more of a problem remembering the cmavo than I do the gismu.) --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --90e6ba53b528069d0b049937f454 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Robin Lee Powell= <rlpow= ell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 06:48:38PM -0700, Jonathan Jones = wrote:
> 2011/1/6 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= jjllambias@gmail.com>
>
> > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 10:06 PM, John E Clifford
> > <kali9putra@yahoo.com<= /a>> wrote:
> > >
> > > This is one of those little problems that needs to be solved= ,
> > > so the the
> > answers: cream, sugar, both or neither are all correct.
> >
> > Hasn't this been solved for ages? The answer is that question= -or
> > is neither ".a" nor ".onai". Question-or is &= quot;ji", and the four
> > helpful answers are ".enai", "na.e", ".e= " and "na.enai". (There
> > are also plenty of true but less than helpful answers, of
> > course, but that's the case for any question.)
> >
> > mu'o mi'e xorxes
> >
>
> So, not {xu do djica lo nu lo kruji .a lo sakta cu nenri lo
> ckafi}, but {do djica lo nu lo kruji ji lo sakta cu nenri lo
> ckafi}?

Correct. =A0IIRC, this is, in fact, an example in the CLL.

-Robin

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http://singinst.org/= : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
Lojban (http://www.loj= ban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this senten= ce is false"
is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/

Probably, but I took it from an example of Geekd= om, since the ways geeks would treat the English sentence is the exact way = I suggested Lojbani's do, as in "cream OR sugar".

I should probably thank .xorxes. for reminding me about {ji}, since at = the time I translated the English I was not aware of it. (I really have mor= e of a problem remembering the cmavo than I do the gismu.)

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le= bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to= the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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