From lojban+bncCIzD1o6fERCf8JnpBBoErK3nNw@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 06 18:19:25 2011 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pb1vF-0001XK-K3; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:19:25 -0800 Received: by gyb11 with SMTP id 11sf15359335gyb.16 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:19:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received :x-authentication-warning:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:user-agent:x-originating-ip :x-remote-browser:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; bh=X1dbZsI6TTusZ3rIwjjvtqip1cTr425BLzVoio3F57E=; b=CNMExd+ANUPCVAnCMc8rX1Gq5u5eZhb10f3AO718jjgnf6r+bw2a5Olk1OvxlrTDG8 CNw1hCskX347ohk+yYTYbHZrOcjs9bxQogJlUnK2IB74UMJsFjuUjKMiOEYA0u0+RZMv 7nMacyLZrvpSgbdKZGQAHusX/Gdh8Abirv0n8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authentication-warning:message-id:date :from:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:user-agent :x-originating-ip:x-remote-browser:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; b=RgUR0eLzRrkAha6fqtlGirbbLVDy2H4Jtj45OZwFajiC+yvZB1jIQ9MdzMDwLC9asx 3Avf4gUSKVTyDHHkHoK7jduBfxsrCzh6Im6UceWqLrTbJUkjrp1geAt9EM7LPAK3Qfgd T6Tk3C1Kpem40LnE2Famt0653sVIdbIAwkAhM= Received: by 10.151.63.8 with SMTP id q8mr303461ybk.41.1294366751527; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:19:11 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.48.32 with SMTP id v32ls9628181ybv.3.p; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:19:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.212.19 with SMTP id k19mr3292098ybg.28.1294366751019; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:19:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.134.1 with SMTP id h1mr1188541wfd.70.1294358966833; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 16:09:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.134.1 with SMTP id h1mr1188540wfd.70.1294358966806; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 16:09:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from pyramid-06.kattare.com (pyramid-06.kattare.com [204.13.10.7]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f13si1542827wfo.4.2011.01.06.16.09.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 Jan 2011 16:09:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of brian@buildsoftware.com designates 204.13.10.7 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.13.10.7; Received: from pyramid-06.kattare.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pyramid-06.kattare.com (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p0709Puv011990 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 16:09:25 -0800 Received: (from www@localhost) by pyramid-06.kattare.com (8.13.8/8.12.11/Submit) id p0709PBM011989 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 19:09:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: pyramid-06.kattare.com: www set sender to brian@buildsoftware.com using -f Received: from ip72-209-211-235.dc.dc.cox.net (ip72-209-211-235.dc.dc.cox.net [72.209.211.235]) by www.kattare.com (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:09:25 -0500 Message-ID: <20110106190925.10456l4s2t3z3808@www.kattare.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:09:25 -0500 From: "Brian D. Eubanks" To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Semantic Representation of Lojban References: <20110106204534.GF27821@alice.local> In-Reply-To: <20110106204534.GF27821@alice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-Originating-IP: 72.209.211.235 X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101203 Firefox/3.6.13 X-Original-Sender: brian@buildsoftware.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of brian@buildsoftware.com designates 204.13.10.7 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=brian@buildsoftware.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; DelSp=Yes; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is related to what I've wanted to do with the jorne.org project. =20 I am definitely interested in being a part of the discussion. No time =20 to go to Penguicon, but I am willing to chat with the group. Reports of Semantic Web's death have been greatly exaggerated, and I =20 can assure you that it is quite alive and well. Early adopters include =20 Best Buy, US Library of Congress, Reuters, US Census, US DoD, EU =20 governments, Google (Rich Snippets), and biomedical researchers, to =20 mention only a few who are using and publishing Linked Data and are =20 willing to put serious time and money into it. Perhaps Robin meant =20 something different by his use of "Semantic Web", but a large part of =20 Tim Berners-Lee's original vision is being implemented now in a big way. Lojban is unique among languages in that the entire Lojban corpus =20 could become a part of the Linked Data "cloud" (see linkeddata.org). =20 To make this happen, you would: 1. parse text into predicates (moderately hard but doable) 2. convert predicates to RDF (easy enough once you have the =20 predicates, mostly this involves defining a standard URI/ID for each =20 primitive) 3. publish RDF/OWL correlations between each Lojban primitive and =20 dbpedia, wordnet, and other linked data sets (this is a manual process =20 done once for each Lojban primitive). I posted something about this before, but I do have a very rudimentary =20 web service that takes Lojban text and returns the parse tree as XML =20 (using Robin's PEG parser). I haven't had time to work much on it, but =20 I started to look at using Jena (a Java RDF API) to produce RDF as =20 output instead. I would need help with converting the tree into =20 predicates, since my Lojban ability is limited. See http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/b39f94b183cf344f and http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/7e48f11c43f62b63= /68095f3ae30b02dd The web service is at http://jorne.org/form.jsp Try pasting in some short text examples and let me know what you think. Quoting ".alyn.post." : > [I've moved this to it's own thread for higher visibility of the > topic.] > > On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 12:38:23PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> > Well, to a certain extent you're right, but if you choose the >> > right kind of semantic representation, you can do things like >> > proving that two different strings of Lojban have the same >> > meaning. Correct me if I'm wrong, but at the moment no machine >> > grammar of Lojban represents the fact that =93mi viska do=94 is >> > equivalent to =93do se viska mi=94. >> >> Right, very true. People have started playing with that. >> > > I've started playing with it, certainly. Enough to where I'm > considering flying out to Penguicon to brainstorm and talk about > it with other Lojbanists. > > If others of you are working on it and are able and interested in > meeting about it, will you speak up? > > -Alan > -- > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google =20 > Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to =20 > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at =20 > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.