From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRDQh5rpBBoE-siJYA@googlegroups.com Thu Jan 06 19:09:18 2011 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pb2hW-0001fx-7X; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:09:18 -0800 Received: by gyb11 with SMTP id 11sf15377695gyb.16 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:09:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WYLp6kPJ5zENyUj0KMpzmdR+3/PFnfkLiVFzvG0kJx0=; b=XnsG0tMOjFOpTHCR5e3PvmjER9RzQZEuGriAyxFxgyR+sfDjrLS7XiIgMyCN9VMCmK zwVhhiTSBKSu0gjePPegzjQqA1a+x60TPOddbKoGYzgB0MW1JYxfFSLaqOjR4ueJbHT6 VNMRhEgZUWuzXP30tY3ArpknJKJq10Pr9aleo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=yPfhccNSMmwgeYJMoGHjhfC4BtjNwdCpvIK3H+jV2wJbb2UDMnWhjwOKqoC1sCnYFo XEWLTZfiQnudLyMBp86yYtfB2NyJOR6ZmoRD7gXcYTpxJ+x92xQ747bXsyUlaJrIMCL2 20nnAGVWs97ce/AsmHZJYW3kmSsnYsuYwijHk= Received: by 10.151.69.24 with SMTP id w24mr1815162ybk.60.1294369744541; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:09:04 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.197.14 with SMTP id u14ls2757521ybf.7.p; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:09:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.110.176 with SMTP id u36mr2984376yhg.18.1294369742761; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:09:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.110.176 with SMTP id u36mr2984375yhg.18.1294369742682; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:09:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.117]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id a27si2543282yhd.15.2011.01.06.19.09.01; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:09:01 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.117 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.117; Received: (qmail 26631 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2011 03:09:01 -0000 Message-ID: <22440.18739.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OFWhjhUVM1n3xUTtZCyaWcl4aTa5Ir7cwSJz1.O2jMNaYLt s_RaNY3Xngvh_12vZhS_YI1H3HaYCZdNNP.p1PdGhK_rNn81akL4KNQiV_Dv yA8bRp_GaqLncHD8S95kuY38mab8TW4Oy6d6mhZAqWphmWjzxXwmsV0_Q3.X Um.D_fD0q0afWGrpQHNruJ8ApVuf.CUwAY4EwsDUgktBiDbea_xN2i4.Rbm8 AkrcXtByRTg.Sg6DBkeprCcP9evMsGC7cqIGMHI7Zd0IueSCW.NyTNRaPG7f WPAjOXCuYrmEoka0Hm9LIY5aEdtQ6KRJSYNtADJq28gWZDVDbdwmZ3GFSqzF 6VIuYTZUDT65c.2Z62CbXoY6_gm7cj.XdS162LHFinxMq.oORPsWsre.ogmY AiZlDB_fTZ8tNsA-- Received: from [99.92.110.13] by web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:09:00 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <673286.9022.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20110107015306.GQ23787@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 19:09:00 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language) To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <20110107015306.GQ23787@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.117 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, 'lo kruji', 'lo sakta' would be responses to the question and provide t= he=20 asked for information but would technically not be answers, as they would b= e for=20 the more or less corresponding question in English? An interesting differen= ce in=20 Lojban culture that I have known about for years but never appreciated so f= ully=20 before now. Thanx. ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 7:53:06 PM Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re= :=20 Vote for the Future Global Language) On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 06:48:38PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: > 2011/1/6 Jorge Llamb=EDas >=20 > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 10:06 PM, John E Clifford > > wrote: > > > > > > This is one of those little problems that needs to be solved, > > > so the the > > answers: cream, sugar, both or neither are all correct. > > > > Hasn't this been solved for ages? The answer is that question-or > > is neither ".a" nor ".onai". Question-or is "ji", and the four > > helpful answers are ".enai", "na.e", ".e" and "na.enai". (There > > are also plenty of true but less than helpful answers, of > > course, but that's the case for any question.) > > > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > >=20 > So, not {xu do djica lo nu lo kruji .a lo sakta cu nenri lo > ckafi}, but {do djica lo nu lo kruji ji lo sakta cu nenri lo > ckafi}? Correct. IIRC, this is, in fact, an example in the CLL. -Robin --=20 http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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