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To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Semantic Representation of Lojban Message-ID: <20110107130904.GB30364@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20110106204534.GF27821@alice.local> <20110106190925.10456l4s2t3z3808@www.kattare.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20110106190925.10456l4s2t3z3808@www.kattare.com> X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.210.171 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 07:09:25PM -0500, Brian D. Eubanks wrote: > > This is related to what I've wanted to do with the jorne.org project. > I am definitely interested in being a part of the discussion. No time > to go to Penguicon, but I am willing to chat with the group. > > Reports of Semantic Web's death have been greatly exaggerated, and I > can assure you that it is quite alive and well. Early adopters include > Best Buy, US Library of Congress, Reuters, US Census, US DoD, EU > governments, Google (Rich Snippets), and biomedical researchers, to > mention only a few who are using and publishing Linked Data and are > willing to put serious time and money into it. Perhaps Robin meant > something different by his use of "Semantic Web", but a large part of > Tim Berners-Lee's original vision is being implemented now in a big way. > > Lojban is unique among languages in that the entire Lojban corpus > could become a part of the Linked Data "cloud" (see linkeddata.org). > To make this happen, you would: > > 1. parse text into predicates (moderately hard but doable) > 2. convert predicates to RDF (easy enough once you have the > predicates, mostly this involves defining a standard URI/ID for each > primitive) > 3. publish RDF/OWL correlations between each Lojban primitive and > dbpedia, wordnet, and other linked data sets (this is a manual process > done once for each Lojban primitive). > > I posted something about this before, but I do have a very rudimentary > web service that takes Lojban text and returns the parse tree as XML > (using Robin's PEG parser). I haven't had time to work much on it, but > I started to look at using Jena (a Java RDF API) to produce RDF as > output instead. I would need help with converting the tree into > predicates, since my Lojban ability is limited. > > See > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/b39f94b183cf344f > and > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/7e48f11c43f62b63/68095f3ae30b02dd > > The web service is at http://jorne.org/form.jsp > Try pasting in some short text examples and let me know what you think. > You know, I remember now seeing this project the first time you posted about it, I'm not sure why I didn't say anything at the time. I've added a link to your project on the sidebar to my website. See roughly in the middle of "Lojban Resources": http://lodockikumazvati.org/ One of our summer researchers recently gave a presentation on the semantic web, focusing on DBpedia[1], which extracts formatted information from wikipedia (like sidebar tables) and allows structured access to that data (using SPARQL and I'm sure other query methods). [Brian of course knows about DBpedia and the related technology already.] That was a pretty fascinating talk, In that "We could use two or three of these features right now to make our product better" kind of way. I note, reading your referenced threads, that you said: Anyone with any background in RDF or Lojban is welcome to join the project. I particularly need help with mapping the Lojban gismu to synsets in English and other Wordnets. That would bring immediate benefit in being able to generate simple lojban sentences from dbpedia and other linked data content. This part could done without any knowledge in RDF. Drop me a line if you are interested in mapping some gismu. I'd love to be wrong, but I'd wager you didn't get any responses to this request. I think it is too large, uninteresting, or abstract. I wonder what would happen if you said "I'd love it if one of you could take all the gismu referring to farm animals and give me the link X and Y from dataset Z for them." Substituting farm animals for whatever topic seems reasonably interesting and repeating as necessary. The idea being to make a focused, specific request that someone could just go do. There are definitely subjects for which I'm a close enough domain expert to do this work, while for others I'd just rather someone else with more motivation work on them. Are you interested in experimenting with this kind of crowdsourcing to build this data? Is that your next step? Oren showed a heck of a lot of interest in your project, it took a non-zero amount of time to give such a thoughtful reply! How was the Semantic Web conference in June? Do we get to see the source code? -Alan 1: http://dbpedia.org/ -- .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.