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(was: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language)) To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.118 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1899994717-1294428659=:86876" --0-1899994717-1294428659=:86876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Being a little rusty in both areas here, I proceed in terror. But it seems= to=20 me that 'ce' only joins noun phrases, so this needs the other two 'lo' at= =20 least. I don't know whether 'ce' also forces 'ku', though it seems it shou= ld. =20 I'm also not sure about the 'jai' -- this doesn't seem to be raising a=20 prepositional object to argument status, mainly because nothing here is a= =20 preposition. Ooops! I forgot 4 How do we do the restricted choices: "Which (at most) one do you want?" = and=20 so on. Can 'ma' be quantified? ________________________________ From: Oleksii Melnyk To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 11:42:53 AM Subject: Re: Cake, Pie or Ice Cream? (was: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop= =20 saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language)) 2011/1/7 Michael Turniansky do djica tu'a ma noi cmima lo titnanba kuce lo nabypalne kuce lo bisyladr= u Is =ABma du lo titnanba ce nabypalne ce bisyladru ku'a [jai] se djica [be d= o]=BB=20 works, or we do need that number of "kucelo"s? --=20 mu'o mi'e lex --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at=20 http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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Being a little rusty in both areas here, I proceed in terror.&= nbsp; But it seems to me that 'ce' only joins noun phrases, so this needs t= he other two 'lo' at least.  I don't know whether 'ce' also forces 'ku= ', though it seems it should.  I'm also not sure about the 'jai' -- th= is doesn't seem to be raising a prepositional object to argument status, ma= inly because nothing here is a preposition.

Ooops!  I forgot4 How do we do the restricted choices:  "Which (at most) one do you w= ant?" and so on.  Can 'ma' be quantified?


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To: lojba= n@googlegroups.com
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