From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARDi3Z3pBBoEUMa1HQ@googlegroups.com Fri Jan 07 11:52:14 2011 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PbIM5-0007wC-3f; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:52:13 -0800 Received: by pvh1 with SMTP id 1sf6964069pvh.16 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:52:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=KuGYqVwXWVRcDfUybRK9E4mNQOvXZYoh4zeFivMzSmk=; b=Vmavi9uA5JUmkcz++8Y65YrI4w0HX3pAliSTAiX8Z66AMKkm3V4ctNHvZ4ejdmMjph q1VdrkMwaAXTGt35I8wsxbMDPs95Oh/JOB9QI3ElFavn0fUpd6Njjl/XwtGqU6Yym6a/ PyJT5a2QWHO+XQ1D8akhZBrX5ROe6EqGptEhk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=xxD1KItGA/bC+mECrVAzlUL7DnDEy710z1cAFTRvKPP5U9+Ej9K7NYdVmTRz2qOkcK iyKXlvuJAqSxey64psz0sOQb3nbf0sLkrU3DPLxmyiG0bfHsJyf7l/v1C7xZRQCdhovx Kq2GE6GEqGacSEt6T1fnWRPbXtwG/v6J1/h9A= Received: by 10.143.26.38 with SMTP id d38mr159223wfj.3.1294429922041; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:52:02 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.249.41 with SMTP id w41ls30170458wfh.1.p; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:52:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.109.21 with SMTP id h21mr2018784wfc.11.1294429921493; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:52:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.109.21 with SMTP id h21mr2018782wfc.11.1294429921441; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:52:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-px0-f196.google.com (mail-px0-f196.google.com [209.85.212.196]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m3si2589977wfl.5.2011.01.07.11.52.00; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.196 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.196; Received: by pxi11 with SMTP id 11so2553153pxi.3 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:52:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.5.20 with SMTP id h20mr2108146wfi.31.1294429918700; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:51:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.103.17 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 11:51:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <401176.86876.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <20110105165231.GK17534@digitalkingdom.org> <20110105220532.GN17534@digitalkingdom.org> <673286.9022.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294930.94884.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <401176.86876.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:51:58 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cake, Pie or Ice Cream? (was: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language)) From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e0a91c7da65f049946f37e --001636e0a91c7da65f049946f37e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable {ce} is JOI, so yeah you need the {ku}. How the hell {mi broda ce brode} differs from {mi broda je brode} and {mi broda joi brode} is anyone's guess afaik. That reminds me, actually; why does the grammar refuse: LE SELBRI JOI LE SELBRI ? Why can't JOI realize "left side is sumti, right side is sumti, so ku is implied on left side"? Does the grammar not have enough lookahead, or something? mu'o mi'e .latros. On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:30 PM, John E Clifford wrote= : > Being a little rusty in both areas here, I proceed in terror. But it see= ms > to me that 'ce' only joins noun phrases, so this needs the other two 'lo'= at > least. I don't know whether 'ce' also forces 'ku', though it seems it > should. I'm also not sure about the 'jai' -- this doesn't seem to be > raising a prepositional object to argument status, mainly because nothing > here is a preposition. > > Ooops! I forgot > 4 How do we do the restricted choices: "Which (at most) one do you want?= " > and so on. Can 'ma' be quantified? > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Oleksii Melnyk > *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Fri, January 7, 2011 11:42:53 AM > *Subject:* Re: Cake, Pie or Ice Cream? (was: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! > Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global > Language)) > > > > 2011/1/7 Michael Turniansky > >> do djica tu'a ma noi cmima lo titnanba kuce lo nabypalne kuce lo >> bisyladru > > > Is =ABma du lo titnanba ce nabypalne ce bisyladru ku'a [jai] se djica [be > do]=BB works, or we do need that number of "kucelo"s? > > -- > mu'o mi'e lex > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --001636e0a91c7da65f049946f37e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable {ce} is JOI, so yeah you need the {ku}. How the hell {mi broda ce brode} di= ffers from {mi broda je brode} and {mi broda joi brode} is anyone's gue= ss afaik.

That reminds me, actually; why does the grammar refuse: LE SELBRI JOI LE SELBRI
? Why can't JOI realize "left side is s= umti, right side is sumti, so ku is implied on left side"? Does the gr= ammar not have enough lookahead, or something?

mu'o mi'e .l= atros.
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:30 PM, John E Clifford = <kali9putra@ya= hoo.com> wrote:
Being a little rusty in both areas here, I proceed in terror.= =A0 But it seems to me that 'ce' only joins noun phrases, so this n= eeds the other two 'lo' at least.=A0 I don't know whether '= ce' also forces 'ku', though it seems it should.=A0 I'm als= o not sure about the 'jai' -- this doesn't seem to be raising a= prepositional object to argument status, mainly because nothing here is a = preposition.

Ooops!=A0 I forgot
4 How do we do the restricted choices:=A0 "W= hich (at most) one do you want?" and so on.=A0 Can 'ma' be qua= ntified?


From: Oleksii Melnyk <lamelnyk@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 11:4= 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: Cake, Pie or = Ice Cream? (was: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lo= jban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language))



2011/1/7 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
=A0do djica tu'a ma noi cmima =A0lo titnanba kuce lo nabypalne kuce lo= bisyladru

Is =ABma du lo titnanba ce nabypalne ce bis= yladru ku'a [jai] se djica [be do]=BB works, or we do need that number = of "kucelo"s?

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