From lojban+bncCL-Ey5qiChCP5p3pBBoEJxcEyQ@googlegroups.com Fri Jan 07 12:10:07 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PbIdN-0000H3-Fb; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:10:07 -0800 Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10sf6640260fxm.16 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:09:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Sr5O5s6GcOds4UG01Ek/e5AHOS5vOB+1vrO1c2gjGbw=; b=o45HPBRrH/3scAajPc8TX4ew7BEim6uVWD67s/GsA3wnum4s90MUNZlInxDNXP9ZZn cqXLtzf2+HgTzSuc684U/vSIZtpqMALulJWIRFTvvHLnKQcrdtVe6/zSVLNniLppQXnr 5a72t9PSw0pv8V6jNMdmhUr7pnl/w68b5gSVM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UyfAdvmcyAQIfkVS6wsWnpunJoj3N5YqqkmR1gliCv79LS8yH9EloYz3hF2OW51b3H iMLmnUUB3GBzIo+M2nATIpgYQ9EeAkGDs/hnzlZLZKZkhRPvleTN8g+yUMhKGDmNdGdn bINfEf4OBLMhWx4FCOo6DhemGHVmTm1HVcqzs= Received: by 10.223.85.200 with SMTP id p8mr93361fal.29.1294430991121; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:09:51 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.38.211 with SMTP id c19ls4955228wbe.1.p; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.144.201 with SMTP id a9mr873483wbv.6.1294430990218; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.144.201 with SMTP id a9mr873482wbv.6.1294430990203; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ww0-f45.google.com (mail-ww0-f45.google.com [74.125.82.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l26si2172455weq.6.2011.01.07.12.09.49; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.45; Received: by mail-ww0-f45.google.com with SMTP id 29so18178317wwb.2 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:09:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.93.94 with SMTP id u30mr3168815wbm.153.1294430988977; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:09:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.39.73 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:09:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <294930.94884.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <20110105165231.GK17534@digitalkingdom.org> <20110105220532.GN17534@digitalkingdom.org> <673286.9022.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294930.94884.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 15:09:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cake, Pie or Ice Cream? (was: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language)) From: Craig Daniel To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: craigbdaniel@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=craigbdaniel@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:53 AM, John E Clifford wro= te: > 1.=A0 What is the question to which "cream", "sugar, "neither" or "both" = are > *answers*, not merely side remarks that happen to do the job answers are > meant to do? .i xu djica lo kruji .a lo sakta It can be answered - not merely replied to, but answered - with the following five options, or variations on them: "na go'i" (no), "go'i" (yes - unhelpful, but an answer), "go'i lo kruji" (yes, and specifically I would like cream - and, by Gricean implicature, presumably not sugar), "go'i lo sakta" (ditto, but the other way around), or "go'i lo kruji .e lo sakta" (yes, I want both). All of these explicitly answer the logical or question, and all but one of the four ways to say yes further provide the additional information that the questioner actually wants. Not the only answer to your question, but an answer. - mi'e .kreig.daniyl. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.