From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRDo6J3pBBoEH0N4Jg@googlegroups.com Fri Jan 07 12:15:51 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PbIiw-0000TR-Dq; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:15:51 -0800 Received: by qwd6 with SMTP id 6sf58562805qwd.16 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:15:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=A22On52HIIsE/QyiuQozWYTh2qUCKTOxfcllQAvwdbQ=; b=FzTmgS1NsooO0/xnaCrXL9e8Pzq4LlJGy8d8cRZE9QD+OCG0vj9ofuBNwTvMYUKk80 rrS7NRqNeRecrrlEO3Yuo0hUMsYvofpq5k9nm3+aD6xfk56bS/GoLLABgvmYJ5bqufZr b3dFNsdCxVmUeEDcPJ1xoUPRUQrLU+bLTNM+U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=KYMPERgZhD+wxlMLgzILiHaH+BXwUmITfxYDw03Mir6z86VfHpy9dU7lZ+qaXJO7zj i1G5YOOnuRnNKrUq8MJQ5U7uxyuZvU8CTaxC762INs5CR+hBPa3Tgk3aOuPrdldm3TcR 0IQu+YGbJ2yrkQfIdWzOIneWdJjl2YOko4SDc= Received: by 10.224.54.143 with SMTP id q15mr1455687qag.21.1294431336916; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:15:36 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.222.20 with SMTP id ie20ls4123569qab.7.p; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.60.210 with SMTP id q18mr1150905qah.6.1294431335948; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.60.210 with SMTP id q18mr1150904qah.6.1294431335875; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id s6si4866128qco.5.2011.01.07.12.15.34; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:15:34 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.120 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.120; Received: (qmail 87892 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2011 20:14:33 -0000 Message-ID: <687487.87250.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 4DpxslwVM1mxfH4IXqcANJioTtt9OzGEvY55f5oYeyTXiYY CPU_K9GlJPBG17EaBTRBXxUe5N.w8SFVCfy7GhW.5pPqoARdu9z4tWpj8QnK 7XVuEResuk0K12.BnjdPVP1P0F1r.xV4N2.wb0.Euz_5tyi4FClpE5U0OQI5 0KrQ3qLyAjwxj1RfSjkJnHiQgro5WaexSS8gbss2qzaOV.UoAmOUiUrUKz0e bjOHyOJS69mxE9oxUHmQdmkVFlcHPug.s5PzreAI6F2m99cKIG5GHxras0BX fLJBaQF8pSGu.aaYXHQ5in0i65cWEFwGljGsJMrWX36NOCSaq.UIKqlvNnsy dY5YR3skTmiKPWyW.nKtYk4FxddD8yRlfpmuRvc8MwJICglYcquYLjWHZnBB UMWA41m9OJOjbDoJtgxDziuU- Received: from [99.92.110.13] by web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:14:33 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <673286.9022.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294930.94884.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20110107194348.GT23787@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:14:33 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: Cake, Pie or Ice Cream? (was: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language)) To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <20110107194348.GT23787@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.120 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 1. Nice, but without the choices, which I guess were part of the problem. 2. Yeah, fine if you can be sure to use 'e' throughout, but that is a less general solution. Why the double negation on 'lo sakta'? Is this the start of the scope problems (and, if so, why not 'a' in the last place and the values are reversed, so I guess it isn't but is just a mystery). 'enai', I suppose, but your double negation has me worried. ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 1:43:49 PM Subject: Re: Cake, Pie or Ice Cream? (was: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language)) On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 07:53:57AM -0800, John E Clifford wrote: > The 'ji' solution to the choice question is very Logjamish; it is > easy to picture JCB cackling with glee over it. But it raises > (not "begs" gawdammit) some further questions, all of which have > been raised before and probably solved. But, I don't remember the > solutions and they may not be in the consciousness of many > less-than-decades Lojbanists: > > 1. What is the question to which "cream", "sugar, "neither" or > "both" are *answers*, not merely side remarks that happen to do > the job answers are meant to do? Differing from other answers, I would do "do djica ma poi mi setca ke'a le ckafi". > 2) How does (or indeed, just "Does") the 'ji' solution extend to > cases of three or more choice items, as in the subject line? I *believe* it works fine as long as you stick with {.e}, but I am not sure and have made a note on the appropriate bpfk page. Assuming {mi djica lo ladru .e nai lo sakta na .e lo titnanba} means "I want milk and a donut, but not sugar", then it seems to me that {do djica lo ladru ji lo sakta ji lo titnanba}, responded to with {.e nai na .e} would DTRT. Bonus points: how do you reply to {do djica lo ladru ji nai lo sakta} if you want both? :D > 3) What about extending the solution to 1 above to more than two > cases? 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