From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRCm753pBBoEBt_Inw@googlegroups.com Fri Jan 07 12:29:39 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PbIwJ-00087l-66; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:29:39 -0800 Received: by gwj17 with SMTP id 17sf16556908gwj.16 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:29:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg:received :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ejBJi2soC7iFNKtSaPdBLpRJeQ8T7pEZn53cO/slWwg=; b=cYewNU+1WEBrqVcG4bc9XRWLvjgSCKIv3ITaTqsJ/tgTvoaS78isNgg+ZAu6Y5XsS+ Abl7zn3DQN3qrLoOaMckrhx+NPbFuBi6ttT0CGiljQyh5SQxyvYlOPBfRmKCsgAajLTG gxTe/ZB5YYqKmISf5MvGLUzd5Ld/PnXKVwSDs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=BxDDYXQ/3gjEvnsi9bAyIQtYUPz6DZbhVOOo+uOaoQRUb500VThrBaAlPy4LZVBsRK HtrXsPr/cLm8r0aaFBZrFXS1Yn/0+azEfYjbwIvPC9j7OIyWUP7wthdRrLAjhvyzxRdi w9n/90Osdu7me1/OwgUpJvWSr1wc4kU2uSgv8= Received: by 10.147.170.4 with SMTP id x4mr1846798yao.10.1294432166011; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:29:26 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.239.3 with SMTP id m3ls3566156anh.0.p; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.33.18 with SMTP id g18mr4533317ang.57.1294432165478; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.33.18 with SMTP id g18mr4533316ang.57.1294432165463; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id c30si10806463anc.9.2011.01.07.12.29.24; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:29:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.119 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.119; Received: (qmail 30282 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2011 20:29:23 -0000 Message-ID: <885075.30207.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: QeS_a9sVM1n6hItgyChKnTdMegRALHW6jCn6MrT0_6XYoKj 4n00W86xSocXvD0AGu.Kkmshqtpese_5tbHWEo6cdHjXqhqFqgvZK438Byz6 25MjC1Q8YKZCy_GQENLLL6OaWAceJ674kE8UNNzNqeyE8MlcfzejWi6XvRE7 8wjfoDL9z0UzxQOx7uKh6zMf9TAqo7IKSJ1cDCFD6rakAAqSKhvq6KMte7Pf 13rsFG5ctaYeM5kmZkYp7fB0gcXx7l8Myl3BaNlAWKuHcim177OZnHmws4PI QgsPqOmd_fVBNmaxmwxJyNVSPcmCyyGkWSWs8KbJY06aiFXmSTb1UlRgQJ_b cZbR.VupkSaPiPvOdnr6c8uajzpd3Lg6MIxAdp2m7iCIFIfTb5JmrHDi6_Bc iPZkL15x1kP8.vg-- Received: from [99.92.110.13] by web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:29:23 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <9114501.161.1294150198377.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhy19> <7c0687a1-deba-495a-9760-95d1d0649423@t8g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <20110105165231.GK17534@digitalkingdom.org> <20110105220532.GN17534@digitalkingdom.org> <673286.9022.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <294930.94884.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:29:23 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: Cake, Pie or Ice Cream? (was: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language)) To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.119 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nice -- and pulling a Grice is a very nice touch. ----- Original Message ---- From: Craig Daniel To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 2:09:48 PM Subject: Re: Cake, Pie or Ice Cream? (was: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language)) On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:53 AM, John E Clifford wrote: > 1. What is the question to which "cream", "sugar, "neither" or "both" are > *answers*, not merely side remarks that happen to do the job answers are > meant to do? .i xu djica lo kruji .a lo sakta It can be answered - not merely replied to, but answered - with the following five options, or variations on them: "na go'i" (no), "go'i" (yes - unhelpful, but an answer), "go'i lo kruji" (yes, and specifically I would like cream - and, by Gricean implicature, presumably not sugar), "go'i lo sakta" (ditto, but the other way around), or "go'i lo kruji .e lo sakta" (yes, I want both). All of these explicitly answer the logical or question, and all but one of the four ways to say yes further provide the additional information that the questioner actually wants. Not the only answer to your question, but an answer. - mi'e .kreig.daniyl. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.