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From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re:
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I suppose that what is meant is the right words, not just the number.  The 
autogenerated ones would not be intelligible Lojban, even if they were 
well-formed.  The claim is basically, that we aren't "finished" because we 
haven't talked enough about enough things, certainly that there are things 
talked about in other languages which have never been mentioned in Lojban and 
yet are in the realm o fLojbanists' experiences (this to keep Piranha finished 
even though no one has talked about nuclear physics -- or plain physics -- in 
it).  That we could talk about these, were we inclined to, without adding 
anything to the language but new words formed to established formats doesn't 
count.  Of course, with a little thought, we could probably come up with some 
areas of experience never talked about in English  -- but it would be a lot 
harder.




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From: Oleksii Melnyk <lamelnyk@gmail.com>
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Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 4:32:14 PM
Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: 
Vote for the Future Global Language)




2011/1/7 MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>

Lojban is not, because it doesn't have the vocabulary necessary to express 
everything that a native speaker might want to express.
>
We can  [auto]generate the huge list of [random] words, put it to jbovlaste, 
give the access to anyone, wanting to allocate the word for a meaning, or just 
automatically allocate one for each word of each natlang. So, we'll get the 
"richest" vocabulary in a few  months. Is that your definition of "polished"?

-- 
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ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;fon=
t-size:12pt"><div>I suppose that what is meant is the right words, not just=
 the number.&nbsp; The autogenerated ones would not be intelligible Lojban,=
 even if they were well-formed.&nbsp; The claim is basically, that we aren'=
t "finished" because we haven't talked enough about enough things, certainl=
y that there are things talked about in other languages which have never be=
en mentioned in Lojban and yet are in the realm o fLojbanists' experiences =
(this to keep Piranha finished even though no one has talked about nuclear =
physics -- or plain physics -- in it).&nbsp; That we could talk about these=
, were we inclined to, without adding anything to the language but new word=
s formed to established formats doesn't count.&nbsp; Of course, with a litt=
le thought, we could probably come up with some areas of experience
 never talked about in English&nbsp; -- but it would be a lot harder.<br></=
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erif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><hr size=3D"1"><b>=
<span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Oleksii Melnyk &lt;lame=
lnyk@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> =
lojban@googlegroups.com<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</spa=
n></b> Fri, January 7, 2011 4:32:14 PM<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bo=
ld;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was=
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/1/7 MorphemeAddict <span dir=3D"ltr=
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<div>Lojban is not, because it doesn't have the vocabulary necessary to exp=
ress everything that a native speaker might want to express.<br></div></blo=
ckquote></div><br>We can  [auto]generate the huge list of [random] words, p=
ut it to jbovlaste, give the access to anyone, wanting to allocate the word=
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tlang. So, we'll get the "richest" vocabulary in a few  months. Is that you=
r definition of "polished"?<br clear=3D"all">
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