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From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re:
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Well, that sounds testable. Does anyone have access to a 10-year-old to see if 
we can match his/her comnversation for, say, a month? 





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From: Oleksii Melnyk <lamelnyk@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 2:14:01 AM
Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: 
Vote for the Future Global Language)




2011/1/8 John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>

I suppose that what is meant is the right words, not just the number.  The 
autogenerated ones would not be intelligible Lojban, even if they were 
well-formed.  


The first allocation method still works -- as the vocabulary is being constantly 
filled with the meanings, that appears in the lojbanist's sight. Yes, no one 
will know all the words - just like in most of natlangs.

 
The claim is basically, that we aren't "finished" because we haven't talked 
enough about enough things, certainly that there are things talked about in 
other languages which have never been mentioned in Lojban and yet are in the 
realm of Lojbanists' experiences (this to keep Piranha finished even though no 
one has talked about nuclear physics -- or plain physics -- in it).
>
To make that a good criteria we need to define the "standard native speaker", 
and it should be slightly educated 10 years old child - after that they becomes 
too different. Does lojban's vocabulary covers such a needs?

-- 
mu'o mi'e lex

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ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;fon=
t-size:12pt"><div>Well, that sounds testable. Does anyone have access to a =
10-year-old to see if we can match his/her comnversation for, say, a month?=
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times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><hr size=3D=
"1"><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Oleksii Melnyk &=
lt;lamelnyk@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</spa=
n></b> lojban@googlegroups.com<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sen=
t:</span></b> Sat, January 8, 2011 2:14:01 AM<br><b><span style=3D"font-wei=
ght: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying tha=
t! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language)<br></font><br=
>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/1/8 John E Clifford <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yahoo.com" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yahoo.com">kali9putra@yahoo.com</a>&g=
t;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt=
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<div><div style=3D"font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-=
size: 12pt;"><div>I suppose that what is meant is the right words, not just=
 the number.&nbsp; The autogenerated ones would not be intelligible Lojban,=
 even if they were well-formed.&nbsp; </div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br>The first allocation method still works -=
- as the vocabulary is being constantly filled with the meanings, that appe=
ars in the lojbanist's sight. Yes, no one will know all the words - just li=
ke in most of natlangs.<br>
<br>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt =
0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><=
div><div style=3D"font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-s=
ize: 12pt;">
<div>The claim is basically, that we aren't "finished" because we haven't t=
alked enough about enough things, certainly that there are things talked ab=
out in other languages which have never been mentioned in Lojban and yet ar=
e in the realm of Lojbanists' experiences (this to keep Piranha finished ev=
en though no one has talked about nuclear physics -- or plain physics -- in=
 it).<br clear=3D"all">
</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br>To make that a good criteria we ne=
ed to define the "standard native speaker", and it should be slightly educa=
ted 10 years old child - after that they becomes too different. Does lojban=
's vocabulary covers such a needs?<br>
<br>-- <br>mu'o mi'e lex<br>

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